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You guys are describing wonderful things, but I've yet to see any implementation. I tried coding my own agents, yet the results were disappointing. What kind o

by w4yai 7mo ago

You guys are describing wonderful things, but I've yet to see any implementation. I tried coding my own agents, yet the results were disappointing. What kind of setup do you use ? Can you share ? How much does it cost ?

dworks 7mo ago
rlm-workflow does all that TDD for you: https://skills.sh/doubleuuser/rlm-workflow/rlm-workflow https://skills.sh/doubleuuser/rlm-workflow/rlm-workflow (I built it)
- _ink_ 7mo ago
  Thanks for sharing. What does RLM stand for? Any idea why the socket security test fails?
  - stavros 7mo ago
    Recursive language models: https://github.com/doubleuuser/rlm-workflow https://github.com/doubleuuser/rlm-workflow
- cheema33 7mo ago
  Why make powershell a requirement? I like powershell, but Python is very common and already installed on many dev systems.
  - dworks 7mo ago
    Sorry about that. Let me push an update.
canadiantim 7mo ago
Check out Mike Pocock’s work, he’s done excellent work writing about red green refactor and has a GitHub repo for his skills. Read and take what you need from his tdd skill and incorporate it into your own tdd skill tailored for your project.
- nojito 7mo ago
  This is just ai slop. If you follow what the actual designers of Claude/GPT tell you it flys in the face of building out over engineered harnesses for agents.
  - canadiantim 7mo ago
    Works better than standard claude / gpt, which doesn't do red-green-refactor. Doesn't seem like slop when it meaningfully changes the results for the better, consistently. Really is a game-changer. You should consider trying it.
    - nojito 7mo ago
      I do do TDD but using skills in this way is an anti-pattern for a multitude of reasons.
      - canadiantim 7mo ago
        I don't think just saying it's an anti-pattern for a multitude of reasons and then not naming any is sufficiently going to convince anyone it's an anti-pattern. This is in fact precisely what skills is meant for and is the opposite of an anti-pattern, but more like best practice now. It's explicitly using the skills framework precisely how it was meant to be used.
  - throwaway7783 7mo ago
    I agree with this. There is not a lot of harnesses/wrapping needed for Claude Code.
    - canadiantim 7mo ago
      You don't need a harness beyond Claude Code, but honestly it's foolish to think you shouldn't be building out extra skills to help your workflow. A TDD skill that does red-green-refactoring is using Claude Code exactly as how it's meant to be used. They pioneered skills.
aprdm 7mo ago
If you are not spending 5-10k dollars a month for interesting projects, you likely won't see interesting results
- mrbungie 7mo ago
  I can't really tell if this is sarcasm or not.
  - Culonavirus 7mo ago
    That's how half of these "agents" posts feel to me in general.
- cube00 7mo ago
  Sounds a lot like paying for online ads, they don't work because you're not paying enough, when in reality bots, scrapers and now agents are just running up all the clicks. You pay more to try and get above that noise and hope you'll reach an actual human. The new "fast mode" that burns tokens at 6 times the rate is just scary because that's what everyone still soon say we all need to be using to get results.
  - zarzavat 7mo ago
    It feels like everyone's gone mad. Here I am mostly writing code by hand, with some AI assistant help. I have a Claude subscription but only use it occasionally because it can take more time to review and fix the generated code as it would to hand-write it. Claude only saves me time on a minority of tasks where it's faster to prompt than hand-write. And then I read about people spending hundreds or thousands of dollars a month on this stuff. Doesn't that turn your codebase into an unreadable mess?
    - aprdm 7mo ago
      Why read code when you are getting results fast ? See https://steve-yegge.medium.com/welcome-to-gas-town-4f25ee16dd04 https://steve-yegge.medium.com/welcome-to-gas-town-4f25ee16d... I am not kidding. People don't seem to understand what's actually happening in our industry. See https://www.linkedin.com/posts/johubbard_github-eleutherailm-evaluation-harness-activity-7435177278868844544-a7Tu https://www.linkedin.com/posts/johubbard_github-eleutherailm...
throwaway7783 7mo ago
We have a very uncomplicated setup with claude code. A CLAUDE.md with instructions and notes about the repo and how to run stuff. We also do code reviews with Claude Code, but in a separate session. It works wonderfully well. Costs about $200USD per developer per month as of now.
gopher_space 7mo ago
Paste the comment you replied to into a LLM good at planning. That’s something the codex/claude setups can create for you with a little back and forth.

by w4yai 7mo ago

dworks 7mo ago

rlm-workflow does all that TDD for you: https://skills.sh/doubleuuser/rlm-workflow/rlm-workflow https://skills.sh/doubleuuser/rlm-workflow/rlm-workflow (I built it)

_ink_ 7mo ago
Thanks for sharing. What does RLM stand for? Any idea why the socket security test fails?
- stavros 7mo ago
  Recursive language models: https://github.com/doubleuuser/rlm-workflow https://github.com/doubleuuser/rlm-workflow
cheema33 7mo ago
Why make powershell a requirement? I like powershell, but Python is very common and already installed on many dev systems.
- dworks 7mo ago
  Sorry about that. Let me push an update.

canadiantim 7mo ago

Check out Mike Pocock’s work, he’s done excellent work writing about red green refactor and has a GitHub repo for his skills. Read and take what you need from his tdd skill and incorporate it into your own tdd skill tailored for your project.

nojito 7mo ago
This is just ai slop. If you follow what the actual designers of Claude/GPT tell you it flys in the face of building out over engineered harnesses for agents.
- canadiantim 7mo ago
  Works better than standard claude / gpt, which doesn't do red-green-refactor. Doesn't seem like slop when it meaningfully changes the results for the better, consistently. Really is a game-changer. You should consider trying it.
  - nojito 7mo ago
    I do do TDD but using skills in this way is an anti-pattern for a multitude of reasons.
    - canadiantim 7mo ago
      I don't think just saying it's an anti-pattern for a multitude of reasons and then not naming any is sufficiently going to convince anyone it's an anti-pattern. This is in fact precisely what skills is meant for and is the opposite of an anti-pattern, but more like best practice now. It's explicitly using the skills framework precisely how it was meant to be used.
- throwaway7783 7mo ago
  I agree with this. There is not a lot of harnesses/wrapping needed for Claude Code.
  - canadiantim 7mo ago
    You don't need a harness beyond Claude Code, but honestly it's foolish to think you shouldn't be building out extra skills to help your workflow. A TDD skill that does red-green-refactoring is using Claude Code exactly as how it's meant to be used. They pioneered skills.

aprdm 7mo ago

If you are not spending 5-10k dollars a month for interesting projects, you likely won't see interesting results

mrbungie 7mo ago
I can't really tell if this is sarcasm or not.
- Culonavirus 7mo ago
  That's how half of these "agents" posts feel to me in general.
cube00 7mo ago
Sounds a lot like paying for online ads, they don't work because you're not paying enough, when in reality bots, scrapers and now agents are just running up all the clicks. You pay more to try and get above that noise and hope you'll reach an actual human. The new "fast mode" that burns tokens at 6 times the rate is just scary because that's what everyone still soon say we all need to be using to get results.
- zarzavat 7mo ago
  It feels like everyone's gone mad. Here I am mostly writing code by hand, with some AI assistant help. I have a Claude subscription but only use it occasionally because it can take more time to review and fix the generated code as it would to hand-write it. Claude only saves me time on a minority of tasks where it's faster to prompt than hand-write. And then I read about people spending hundreds or thousands of dollars a month on this stuff. Doesn't that turn your codebase into an unreadable mess?
  - aprdm 7mo ago
    Why read code when you are getting results fast ? See https://steve-yegge.medium.com/welcome-to-gas-town-4f25ee16dd04 https://steve-yegge.medium.com/welcome-to-gas-town-4f25ee16d... I am not kidding. People don't seem to understand what's actually happening in our industry. See https://www.linkedin.com/posts/johubbard_github-eleutherailm-evaluation-harness-activity-7435177278868844544-a7Tu https://www.linkedin.com/posts/johubbard_github-eleutherailm...

throwaway7783 7mo ago

We have a very uncomplicated setup with claude code. A CLAUDE.md with instructions and notes about the repo and how to run stuff. We also do code reviews with Claude Code, but in a separate session. It works wonderfully well. Costs about $200USD per developer per month as of now.

gopher_space 7mo ago

Paste the comment you replied to into a LLM good at planning. That’s something the codex/claude setups can create for you with a little back and forth.