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IF you care to read the article, they indeed do not blame the architecture but the available silicon implementations.
by dmitrygr 8mo ago
IF you care to read the article, they indeed do not blame the architecture but the available silicon implementations.
- rbanffy 8mo agoI did read it. A Banana Pi is not the fastest developer platform. The title is misleading. BTW, it's quite impressive how the s390x is so fast per core compared to the others. I mean, of course it's fast - we all knew that. And don't let IBM legal see this can be considered a published benchmark, because they are very shy about s390x performance numbers.
- menaerus 8mo agoWhich risc-v implementation is considered fast?
- patchnull 8mo ago[flagged]
- menaerus 8mo agoI remember taking down some notes wrt SiFive P870 specs, comparing them to x86_64, and reaching the same conclusion. Narrower core width (4-wide vs 8-wide), lower clock frequency (peaks at 3GHz) and no turbo (?), limited support for vector execution (128-bit vs 512-bit), limited L1 bandwidth (1x 128-bit load/cycle?), limited FP compute (2x 128-bit vs 2x 512-bit), load queue is also inconveniently small with 48 entries (affecting already limited load bandwidth), unclear system memory bandwidth and how it scales wrt the number of cores (L3 contention) although for the latter they seem to use what AMD is doing (exclusive L3 cache per chiplet).
- LeFantome 8mo agoSpacemiT K3 is about the same performance as a Rockchip RK3588. So, 4 years ago? Except the K3 kills it on AI (60 TOPS).
- NooneAtAll3 8mo agoDC-ROMA 2 is on the Rasperry 4 level of performance last I heard
- LeFantome 8mo ago> Which risc-v implementation is considered fast? SpacemiT K3 is 2010 Macbook performance single-core, 2019 Macbook Air multi-core, and better than M4 Apple Silicon for AI. So I guess it depends on what you are going to do with it.
- menaerus 8mo agoM4 is 38 TOPS at INT8 precision whereas SpacemiT K3 is 60 TOPS at INT4 precision so at best they would be equal in "AI" performance but they are not because the rest of the K3 chip is much less capable than M4 (as I would expect). E.g. M4 total system memory bandwidth is 120GB/s whereas K4 is 51GB/s, single core memory bandwidth is 100-120GB/s vs ~30GB/s. M4 has 10 CPU cores and neural engine with 16 cores whereas K3 has 8 CPU cores and 8 "AI" cores, K3 clock frequency is almost half the clock frequency in M4 etc. etc. But anyway thanks for sharing, always good to learn about new hardware.
- gt0 8mo agoI was really surprised by the s390x performance, but I also don't really understand why there are build time listed by architecture, not the actual processors.
- rbanffy 8mo agoProbably because that's just the infrastructure they have.
- pantalaimon 8mo agoi686 builds even faster
- kpil 8mo agoWhat's fast on Z platforms is typically IO rather than raw CPU - the platform can push a lot of parallell data. This is typically the bottleneck when compiling. The cores are in my experience moderately fast at most. Note that there are a lot of licencing options and I think some are speed-capped - but I don't think that applies to IFL - a standard CPU licence-restricted to only run linux.
- burntoutgray 8mo agoI thought I read somewhere that Z CPUs run at 5GHz ??
- Aurornis 8mo ago> A Banana Pi is not the fastest developer platform. What is the current fastest platform that isn’t exorbitantly expensive? Not upcoming releases, but something I can actually buy. I check in every 3-6 months but the situation hasn’t changed significantly yet.
- cestith 8mo agoWhat is the current fastest ppc64le implementation that isn’t exorbitantly expensive? How about the s390x?
- adgjlsfhk1 8mo agoA P550 based board is the best you can get for now (~2-3x faster than the Banana Pi). In 2-3 months there should be a number of SpaceMIT k3 chips that are ~4-6x faster than the banana pi and somewhat reasonably priced (~200-300). By the end of the year, however, you should be able to get an ascalon chip which should be way way faster than that (roughly apple m1/zen3 speed)
- snvzz 8mo ago>I did read it. A Banana Pi is not the fastest developer platform. The title is misleading. Ironically, its SoC (spacemiT K1) is slower than the JH7110 used in the first mass-produced RISC-V SBC, VisionFive 2. But unlike JH7110, it has vector 1.0, making it a very popular target. Of course, none of these pre-RVA23 boards will be relevant anymore, once the first development boards with RVA23-compatible K3 ship next month. These are also much faster than anything RISC-V currently purchasable. Developers have been playing with them for months through ssh access.
- tromp 8mo agoBut they didn't reflect that in a title like "current RISC-V silicon Is Sloooow" ...
- topspin 8mo agoI keep checking in on Tenstorrent every few months thinking Keller is going to rock our world... losing hope. At this point the most likely place for truly competitive RISC-V to appear is China.
- rbanffy 8mo ago> At this point the most likely place for fast RISC-V to appear is China. Or we just adopt Loongson.
- balou23 8mo agoTBH I still don't really get how it's different from MIPS. As far as I can tell... Loongson seems to be really just MIPS, while LoongArch is MIPS with some extra instructions.
- mananaysiempre 8mo agoBut legally distinct! I guess calling it Ｍ○ＰＳ was not enough for plausible deniability.
- genxy 8mo agoISAs shouldn't be patentable in the first place.
- pantalaimon 8mo agoThey did get rid of the delay slots and some other MIPS oddities
- bonzini 8mo agoLoongArch is, on a first approximation, an almost RISC-V user space instruction set together with MIPS-like privileged instructions and registers.
- mananaysiempre 8mo ago
- spiderice 8mo agoThen how do you justify the title?