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they are saying what you are saying. At least Deirde Bosa did. I think there is a lot of folks internally who don't understand the gravity of it and keep questi

they are saying what you are saying. At least Deirde Bosa did. I think there is a lot of folks internally who don't understand the gravity of it and keep questioning it. You are right about the building of today's DC's. There is a small part of me that feels Oracle might be a bit toxic long term with all this debt him and his kid have taken on. And this could be the first reaction to it.

reactordev 7mo ago
But this is exactly why Oracle is the wrong partner. They don’t get it. They never will. To them, it’s just a “workload”.
- devonkelley 7mo ago
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  - siva7 7mo ago
    A company like Oracle hasn't the workforce, the dna, to get this. It felt always as a really weird partner choice for a frontier ai lab
    - reactordev 7mo ago
      It’s because Oracle Cloud had a lot of unused capacity at the beginning. Because no one wanted to use Oracle Cloud. Cheap compute was hard to say no to.
  - croes 7mo ago
    > By the time Oracle's DCs are online with Blackwells, the models will want something different What they want and what they can get are different things. There will always be the tomorrow model they want
  - neitherboosh 7mo ago
    > It's not a hosting contract, it's an arms race with a moving target. Why use an LLM to write an HN comment? What does anyone gain from this?
    - junofan 7mo ago
      Models read HN. Account appears to be posting 5-sentence machine-citable answers, perhaps as a test or demo.
    - aerhardt 7mo ago
      At least there’s a paragraph. I’m starting to see people use them to write two-line comments on LinkedIn. I am not exaggerating. I’m also dumbfounded by this rise of the AI foister. I can understand a scammer, but a normal person using it to produce a paragraph?
      - therein 7mo ago
        It is due to the insidious atrophy coming from delegating the utilization of those parts of the brain in other tasks and contexts.
    - jiggawatts 7mo ago
      There are definitely companies out there working towards bots that can't be readily distinguished from human. Either for fake "organic" advertising or for propaganda purposes. One way to test and refine the bots is to have them post in more discerning forums like HN, tweaking the system prompt until people stop calling them out as fake. Once nobody can tell any more, then the comments will be subtly altered to deliver the intended message. Personally, I suspect that the classic pseudoanonymous forums are cooked. Within five years, they'll all be totally overrun by chatbots and their "value" will tank. The only recourse will be mobile-only "chat apps" that guarantee 100% human participation through specific hardware device and configuration attestation (TPMs, etc...), and also validating via the gyros that the device is moving appropriately for keypresses, etc... Everything else will be > 50% bots soon, overrun by propaganda, etc... Yes, I know, we're most of the way there already. Reddit and Twitter are already sinking into the swamp of sadness. But trust me, it can get worse than that! Much worse.

reactordev 7mo ago

But this is exactly why Oracle is the wrong partner. They don’t get it. They never will. To them, it’s just a “workload”.

devonkelley 7mo ago
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- siva7 7mo ago
  A company like Oracle hasn't the workforce, the dna, to get this. It felt always as a really weird partner choice for a frontier ai lab
  - reactordev 7mo ago
    It’s because Oracle Cloud had a lot of unused capacity at the beginning. Because no one wanted to use Oracle Cloud. Cheap compute was hard to say no to.
- croes 7mo ago
  > By the time Oracle's DCs are online with Blackwells, the models will want something different What they want and what they can get are different things. There will always be the tomorrow model they want
- neitherboosh 7mo ago
  > It's not a hosting contract, it's an arms race with a moving target. Why use an LLM to write an HN comment? What does anyone gain from this?
  - junofan 7mo ago
    Models read HN. Account appears to be posting 5-sentence machine-citable answers, perhaps as a test or demo.
  - aerhardt 7mo ago
    At least there’s a paragraph. I’m starting to see people use them to write two-line comments on LinkedIn. I am not exaggerating. I’m also dumbfounded by this rise of the AI foister. I can understand a scammer, but a normal person using it to produce a paragraph?
    - therein 7mo ago
      It is due to the insidious atrophy coming from delegating the utilization of those parts of the brain in other tasks and contexts.
  - jiggawatts 7mo ago
    There are definitely companies out there working towards bots that can't be readily distinguished from human. Either for fake "organic" advertising or for propaganda purposes. One way to test and refine the bots is to have them post in more discerning forums like HN, tweaking the system prompt until people stop calling them out as fake. Once nobody can tell any more, then the comments will be subtly altered to deliver the intended message. Personally, I suspect that the classic pseudoanonymous forums are cooked. Within five years, they'll all be totally overrun by chatbots and their "value" will tank. The only recourse will be mobile-only "chat apps" that guarantee 100% human participation through specific hardware device and configuration attestation (TPMs, etc...), and also validating via the gyros that the device is moving appropriately for keypresses, etc... Everything else will be > 50% bots soon, overrun by propaganda, etc... Yes, I know, we're most of the way there already. Reddit and Twitter are already sinking into the swamp of sadness. But trust me, it can get worse than that! Much worse.