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Absolutely wild that none of the dissenting comments suggest a means of lowering or eliminating sexual harassment of women passengers. Why not start there? Get

Absolutely wild that none of the dissenting comments suggest a means of lowering or eliminating sexual harassment of women passengers. Why not start there? Get creative.

brookst 8mo ago
So when you read Uber’s annual safety reports you didn’t see anything in this vein, either as actions taken or changes in statistics?
- kelseyfrog 8mo ago
  I'm talking about the comments here. Like yours that would rather shoot the messenger than actually make a positive change in the world. It sounds like you'd rather I shut up, then you know, actually do something.
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Dylan16807 8mo ago
Do you have any compelling ideas on how to do that? I don't think it's 'wild' that people criticizing a company action aren't starting their comments with "here's how I'd fix society".
- kelseyfrog 8mo ago
  I'm fine with the fix. My point is to those who aren't. Suggest something better.
  - Dylan16807 8mo ago
    This isn't a fix, this is a workaround. It would be cool if people have better ideas, but someone criticizing this workaround doesn't need to suggest something better, and it's not weird for them to lack better ideas but still post. It's a hard problem. And "better than nothing" might get an idea approved but doesn't let it escape criticism.
caditinpiscinam 8mo ago
You could put up a divider separating the drivers from the passengers... like in a taxi
- tavavex 8mo ago
  A divider's not gonna do anything. The threat of being in someone else's car is that they can take you anywhere, keep driving you around, harass and demand things from you. It's a position of trust. Not the same kind of trust as an airline pilot and their passengers, but there's still a large imbalance.
  - nickthegreek 8mo ago
    Aand have your address. The assault doesn’t need to happen at the moment if the ride.
tavavex 8mo ago
The most effective way of combating this for Uber would be to start doing deeper background checks, live interviews, in-depth assessments, customized testing on their drivers. Mandate video and audio recordings in the car that's streamed to them. Impose harsh penalties on harassment, including immediate dismissal and mandatory police reporting. You know, act like a real employer. Right now they have all the reasons in the world to be as hands-off on their checks as they can be. They don't behave like a business with employees. It costs nothing to accept almost anyone and then just weed out the worst of the worst to avoid brand damage. But making these changes would cut into the bottom line too much. They want all the unemployable and dangerous people to work for them because they're so desperate that they'll accept the meager pay. So instead of making any deep, difficult structural changes, they ask the software team to add a checkbox to the app. The checkbox itself is fine by me, but it's just them taping over an issue that stems from the way they do business.
- kelseyfrog 8mo ago
  That sounds like a great solution. In the time between now and when that gets implemented, I'm more than happy with the stopgap. Dear readers, if you wish to get rid of the stop gap, advocate for this.
  - scoofy 8mo ago
    You don't get to say "these people's rights are inconvenient, so until we make it more convenient, I say we ignore their rights." We either care about sex discrimination everywhere, or we don't care about it anywhere.
    - kelseyfrog 8mo ago
      Quick question, are you attracted to one gender?
      - scoofy 8mo ago
        Indeed I am.
frm88 8mo ago
Separate the services. There are women-only gyms, why not women-only Uber? Give it another brand name or make it a separate company and offer services for women drivers only, women riders only. Edit: Germany has such a service https://www.femride.de/ https://www.femride.de/
- scoofy 8mo ago
  This would be illegal in the United States if it were a for-profit company. The US has pretty serious civil rights laws regarding employment and housing.

Absolutely wild that none of the dissenting comments suggest a means of lowering or eliminating sexual harassment of women passengers. Why not start there? Get creative.

brookst 8mo ago

So when you read Uber’s annual safety reports you didn’t see anything in this vein, either as actions taken or changes in statistics?

kelseyfrog 8mo ago
I'm talking about the comments here. Like yours that would rather shoot the messenger than actually make a positive change in the world. It sounds like you'd rather I shut up, then you know, actually do something.

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Dylan16807 8mo ago

Do you have any compelling ideas on how to do that? I don't think it's 'wild' that people criticizing a company action aren't starting their comments with "here's how I'd fix society".

kelseyfrog 8mo ago
I'm fine with the fix. My point is to those who aren't. Suggest something better.
- Dylan16807 8mo ago
  This isn't a fix, this is a workaround. It would be cool if people have better ideas, but someone criticizing this workaround doesn't need to suggest something better, and it's not weird for them to lack better ideas but still post. It's a hard problem. And "better than nothing" might get an idea approved but doesn't let it escape criticism.

caditinpiscinam 8mo ago

You could put up a divider separating the drivers from the passengers... like in a taxi

tavavex 8mo ago
A divider's not gonna do anything. The threat of being in someone else's car is that they can take you anywhere, keep driving you around, harass and demand things from you. It's a position of trust. Not the same kind of trust as an airline pilot and their passengers, but there's still a large imbalance.
- nickthegreek 8mo ago
  Aand have your address. The assault doesn’t need to happen at the moment if the ride.

tavavex 8mo ago

The most effective way of combating this for Uber would be to start doing deeper background checks, live interviews, in-depth assessments, customized testing on their drivers. Mandate video and audio recordings in the car that's streamed to them. Impose harsh penalties on harassment, including immediate dismissal and mandatory police reporting. You know, act like a real employer. Right now they have all the reasons in the world to be as hands-off on their checks as they can be. They don't behave like a business with employees. It costs nothing to accept almost anyone and then just weed out the worst of the worst to avoid brand damage. But making these changes would cut into the bottom line too much. They want all the unemployable and dangerous people to work for them because they're so desperate that they'll accept the meager pay. So instead of making any deep, difficult structural changes, they ask the software team to add a checkbox to the app. The checkbox itself is fine by me, but it's just them taping over an issue that stems from the way they do business.

kelseyfrog 8mo ago
That sounds like a great solution. In the time between now and when that gets implemented, I'm more than happy with the stopgap. Dear readers, if you wish to get rid of the stop gap, advocate for this.
- scoofy 8mo ago
  You don't get to say "these people's rights are inconvenient, so until we make it more convenient, I say we ignore their rights." We either care about sex discrimination everywhere, or we don't care about it anywhere.
  - kelseyfrog 8mo ago
    Quick question, are you attracted to one gender?
    - scoofy 8mo ago
      Indeed I am.

frm88 8mo ago

Separate the services. There are women-only gyms, why not women-only Uber? Give it another brand name or make it a separate company and offer services for women drivers only, women riders only. Edit: Germany has such a service https://www.femride.de/ https://www.femride.de/

scoofy 8mo ago
This would be illegal in the United States if it were a for-profit company. The US has pretty serious civil rights laws regarding employment and housing.