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Digital necrophilia. The living ones are the ones that are going to have to make the objections here. This is revolting at so many levels.

pilooch 8mo ago
Revolting and so inevitable though I believe: we're sort of running these already in our minds, we'll be outrun here too.!
- thesuitonym 8mo ago
  There is an unimaginably large gulf of distance between an individual thinking about what an author would say about their writing, and a corporate entity selling the "opinion" of an LLM asked to act like someone.
PessimalDecimal 8mo ago
You probably mean necromancy.
- wetpaws 8mo ago
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- jacquesm 8mo ago
  > You probably mean necromancy. I probably did not. Then I would have written that. They are fucking over the dead. They are clearly not communicating with the dead.
  - mynameisvlad 8mo ago
    What's with the excessively hostile attitude? That's more of a Reddit thing than a semi-professional discussion site that has this as a guideline: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
    - jacquesm 8mo ago
      > What's with the excessively hostile attitude? That's more of a Reddit thing than a semi-professional discussion site that has this as a guideline: >> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Which part was snarky, excessively hostile or unprofessional?
      - mynameisvlad 8mo ago
        The beginning, middle and end.
        jacquesm 8mo ago
        So, in the interest of 'curious discourse' how would you suggest I should have written my comment so that it would be more professional, less snarky and less hostile? You see, the comment that I replied to made an assumption, that assumption is embedded in the word 'probably'. The person that wrote that presumes to know what I intend. I corrected that. Clarified it and moved on. If that seems hostile and snarky to you then I'm happy to be educated. For myself, I think the comment I replied to could have been phrased as a question rather than a statement. Your comment strikes me as a bit snarky too by the way.
        mynameisvlad 8mo ago
        > You probably mean necromancy. You: > I probably did not. Then I would have written that. They are fucking over the dead. They are clearly not communicating with the dead. A less snarky and hostile version: > I actually didn't! I specifically meant that they are fucking over the dead. Pretty much the same content, and it makes you sound like you actually want to interact with other people. Even in your paragraph long explanation you do quite a few things that are just unnecessarily hostile. It's clearly just the way you talk, but it also doesn't mean you shouldn't work on improving it. > For myself, I think the comment I replied to could have been phrased as a question rather than a statement. Then you should have (politely) said it.
  - bigstrat2003 8mo ago
    "fucking over" as an expression has nothing to do with sex, so it wouldn't qualify as necrophilia.
    - jacquesm 8mo ago
      Neither does digital. Is it pedant day today or did I miss the memo?
beepbopboopp 8mo ago
Please share how this revolting to you
- jacquesm 8mo ago
  Something in the same spirit as this: https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/kenny-g-as-necrophile-long-post/53999 https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/kenny-g-as-necrophile-long-... You don't bring the dead virtually back to life to perform tricks for you.
euroderf 8mo ago
In a similar vein, I'll bet you that rather soon Faceborg will announce a service to keep the deceased "alive" on the platform, posting and commenting away. For plenty of accounts there's plenty of training material.
- jacquesm 8mo ago
  Oh shit, that never even crossed my mind. They don't even need the content creators any more, they can just keep everybody on the platform even though they have left. Faking likes and faking posts for eternity.
- sensanaty 8mo ago
  They already have a feature where a profile can be marked as a memorial page or some such thing, I don't think this is so far fetched considering how ghoulish that robot Zucc is.
- Rebelgecko 8mo ago
  Funnily enough FB already has the patent for this: using LLMs for "simulating the user when the user is absent from the social networking system, for example... if the user is deceased."
  - jacquesm 8mo ago
    Oh, so they're not even hiding it. What is wrong with these people not to realize that this is way across the line?
    - AlexeyBelov 8mo ago
      The only relevant line for them is when they are "lining" their pockets.
- jsheard 8mo ago
  That's almost exactly the premise of a Black Mirror episode (S2E1 - Be Right Back) so you know it's going to get Torment Nexus'ed into existence.
Ferret7446 8mo ago
What objection? IANAL but offering something "inspired by" is fair use. We have not yet reached a point where you can get a government sanctioned monopoly for your writing style or personality. Unless they're outright marketing this as "endorsed by" or similar, there is no case.

pilooch 8mo ago

Revolting and so inevitable though I believe: we're sort of running these already in our minds, we'll be outrun here too.!

thesuitonym 8mo ago
There is an unimaginably large gulf of distance between an individual thinking about what an author would say about their writing, and a corporate entity selling the "opinion" of an LLM asked to act like someone.

PessimalDecimal 8mo ago

You probably mean necromancy.

wetpaws 8mo ago
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jacquesm 8mo ago
> You probably mean necromancy. I probably did not. Then I would have written that. They are fucking over the dead. They are clearly not communicating with the dead.
- mynameisvlad 8mo ago
  What's with the excessively hostile attitude? That's more of a Reddit thing than a semi-professional discussion site that has this as a guideline: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
  - jacquesm 8mo ago
    > What's with the excessively hostile attitude? That's more of a Reddit thing than a semi-professional discussion site that has this as a guideline: >> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Which part was snarky, excessively hostile or unprofessional?
    - mynameisvlad 8mo ago
      The beginning, middle and end.
      - jacquesm 8mo ago
        So, in the interest of 'curious discourse' how would you suggest I should have written my comment so that it would be more professional, less snarky and less hostile? You see, the comment that I replied to made an assumption, that assumption is embedded in the word 'probably'. The person that wrote that presumes to know what I intend. I corrected that. Clarified it and moved on. If that seems hostile and snarky to you then I'm happy to be educated. For myself, I think the comment I replied to could have been phrased as a question rather than a statement. Your comment strikes me as a bit snarky too by the way.
        mynameisvlad 8mo ago
        > You probably mean necromancy. You: > I probably did not. Then I would have written that. They are fucking over the dead. They are clearly not communicating with the dead. A less snarky and hostile version: > I actually didn't! I specifically meant that they are fucking over the dead. Pretty much the same content, and it makes you sound like you actually want to interact with other people. Even in your paragraph long explanation you do quite a few things that are just unnecessarily hostile. It's clearly just the way you talk, but it also doesn't mean you shouldn't work on improving it. > For myself, I think the comment I replied to could have been phrased as a question rather than a statement. Then you should have (politely) said it.
- bigstrat2003 8mo ago
  "fucking over" as an expression has nothing to do with sex, so it wouldn't qualify as necrophilia.
  - jacquesm 8mo ago
    Neither does digital. Is it pedant day today or did I miss the memo?

beepbopboopp 8mo ago

Please share how this revolting to you

jacquesm 8mo ago
Something in the same spirit as this: https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/kenny-g-as-necrophile-long-post/53999 https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/kenny-g-as-necrophile-long-... You don't bring the dead virtually back to life to perform tricks for you.

euroderf 8mo ago

In a similar vein, I'll bet you that rather soon Faceborg will announce a service to keep the deceased "alive" on the platform, posting and commenting away. For plenty of accounts there's plenty of training material.

jacquesm 8mo ago
Oh shit, that never even crossed my mind. They don't even need the content creators any more, they can just keep everybody on the platform even though they have left. Faking likes and faking posts for eternity.
sensanaty 8mo ago
They already have a feature where a profile can be marked as a memorial page or some such thing, I don't think this is so far fetched considering how ghoulish that robot Zucc is.
Rebelgecko 8mo ago
Funnily enough FB already has the patent for this: using LLMs for "simulating the user when the user is absent from the social networking system, for example... if the user is deceased."
- jacquesm 8mo ago
  Oh, so they're not even hiding it. What is wrong with these people not to realize that this is way across the line?
  - AlexeyBelov 8mo ago
    The only relevant line for them is when they are "lining" their pockets.
jsheard 8mo ago
That's almost exactly the premise of a Black Mirror episode (S2E1 - Be Right Back) so you know it's going to get Torment Nexus'ed into existence.

Ferret7446 8mo ago

What objection? IANAL but offering something "inspired by" is fair use. We have not yet reached a point where you can get a government sanctioned monopoly for your writing style or personality. Unless they're outright marketing this as "endorsed by" or similar, there is no case.