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> "In many pre-industrial societies, daily life followed the rhythm of sunrise and sunset, which naturally shaped circadian rhythms." Having an office job that

by Frieren 7mo ago

> "In many pre-industrial societies, daily life followed the rhythm of sunrise and sunset, which naturally shaped circadian rhythms." Having an office job that allows for flexible hours, I start my working day at different times during the year. Setting the alarm to the latest hour that I can start to work it never wakes me up, but it is there just in case. Overall, I feel that I am less stressed, sleep better and have more energy that if I force myself a schedule to wake up. What I have is a schedule to go to sleep, the rest I leave to nature. > Mary Smith, a much-loved knocker upper in East London Great picture.

tayo42 7mo ago
One of the benefits of remote work is not waking up with an alarm clock. It's been so long I forgot how much that sucked. And the snooze button.
- EricBetts 7mo ago
  I think we might need another term for working both remote and with a flexible schedule. I'm working remote, have been at a few jobs, but while my location isn't an office, my schedule is fixed, the same as if I were going in.
- al_borland 7mo ago
  Do you not have to be online at a certain time when remote? I’ve been remote for 6 years now, and did it on and off for a while before that. I’m still woken up by an alarm clock, because I can’t get myself to go to bed at a reasonable time, but have to be online for meetings and stuff and 9am… I think many would prefer 8am, but that’s just a symptom of a broken meeting culture.
  - asdff 7mo ago
    For me I just wake up at about the same time every day, and that is ahead of anything on the schedule. It isn't like you might end up sleeping another couple hours. I physically can't sleep past 8 hours or so.
  - tayo42 7mo ago
    9 or 10am means going to sleep by 1 or 2am, idk wasn't an issue for me to be up, even at my worst phase of stay up smoke weed and watch TV lol
- verma_yatharth 7mo ago
  Alarm clocks with needles have a huge error in minutes. I also suffered when I was a teenager.
pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
> Setting the alarm to the latest hour that I can start to work it never wakes me up Funny enough, I have the same strategy but the exact opposite experience -- it _almost always_ wakes me up, even when it's set for 11 am. I don't disagree with you though, I just think it's funny how different human experience is. And there are benefits too, it's easy for me to stay up late, and a lot of my best work comes naturally at 1 am. But basically nothing good happens before noon.
- FreePalestine1 7mo ago
  I'm pretty much the same. Nothing done before noon. I show up to the office on time just for the sake of it, I then get my work done at night. My manager is okay with it but it is not sustainable, I feel like it takes unnecessary time out of my day. But it is genuinely hard.
  - pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
    Can you negotiate with your manager about start time? I know it will depend on the exact team, but n my old team I would walk into the office at like 10:30 every day, and then stay in the office till about 7-8 every evening. I wasn't secretive about it, but nobody was upset, it was obvious that I was staying later to get work done.
- al_borland 7mo ago
  I think the important part was that they also had a schedule for sleep. That’s the real key to a natural wake up. I’ve struggled with the decision to go to sleep my whole life. If left to my own devices I’d effectively have a 28-30 hour day and my sleep/wake times would continuously shift.
seemaze 7mo ago
I've had the great privilege of working remote for quite a while. Unless I have an early flight to catch, I don't set an alarm. I tend to wake up within 60 min. of sunrise regardless of the season and fall asleep somewhere around T-8 hrs. I can't tell you how much I'd dread having to be violently aroused from my slumber on an ongoing basis.
duttish 7mo ago
Flex work time is awesome. Other than flights I haven't set an alarm since before covid. 1.5 years of basically no irl social life and going to bed at 22 every day has really hammered home my rhythm. I still wake up around 06-07 every day.

by Frieren 7mo ago

tayo42 7mo ago

One of the benefits of remote work is not waking up with an alarm clock. It's been so long I forgot how much that sucked. And the snooze button.

EricBetts 7mo ago
I think we might need another term for working both remote and with a flexible schedule. I'm working remote, have been at a few jobs, but while my location isn't an office, my schedule is fixed, the same as if I were going in.
al_borland 7mo ago
Do you not have to be online at a certain time when remote? I’ve been remote for 6 years now, and did it on and off for a while before that. I’m still woken up by an alarm clock, because I can’t get myself to go to bed at a reasonable time, but have to be online for meetings and stuff and 9am… I think many would prefer 8am, but that’s just a symptom of a broken meeting culture.
- asdff 7mo ago
  For me I just wake up at about the same time every day, and that is ahead of anything on the schedule. It isn't like you might end up sleeping another couple hours. I physically can't sleep past 8 hours or so.
- tayo42 7mo ago
  9 or 10am means going to sleep by 1 or 2am, idk wasn't an issue for me to be up, even at my worst phase of stay up smoke weed and watch TV lol
verma_yatharth 7mo ago
Alarm clocks with needles have a huge error in minutes. I also suffered when I was a teenager.

pinkmuffinere 7mo ago

> Setting the alarm to the latest hour that I can start to work it never wakes me up Funny enough, I have the same strategy but the exact opposite experience -- it _almost always_ wakes me up, even when it's set for 11 am. I don't disagree with you though, I just think it's funny how different human experience is. And there are benefits too, it's easy for me to stay up late, and a lot of my best work comes naturally at 1 am. But basically nothing good happens before noon.

FreePalestine1 7mo ago
I'm pretty much the same. Nothing done before noon. I show up to the office on time just for the sake of it, I then get my work done at night. My manager is okay with it but it is not sustainable, I feel like it takes unnecessary time out of my day. But it is genuinely hard.
- pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
  Can you negotiate with your manager about start time? I know it will depend on the exact team, but n my old team I would walk into the office at like 10:30 every day, and then stay in the office till about 7-8 every evening. I wasn't secretive about it, but nobody was upset, it was obvious that I was staying later to get work done.
al_borland 7mo ago
I think the important part was that they also had a schedule for sleep. That’s the real key to a natural wake up. I’ve struggled with the decision to go to sleep my whole life. If left to my own devices I’d effectively have a 28-30 hour day and my sleep/wake times would continuously shift.

seemaze 7mo ago

I've had the great privilege of working remote for quite a while. Unless I have an early flight to catch, I don't set an alarm. I tend to wake up within 60 min. of sunrise regardless of the season and fall asleep somewhere around T-8 hrs. I can't tell you how much I'd dread having to be violently aroused from my slumber on an ongoing basis.

duttish 7mo ago

Flex work time is awesome. Other than flights I haven't set an alarm since before covid. 1.5 years of basically no irl social life and going to bed at 22 every day has really hammered home my rhythm. I still wake up around 06-07 every day.