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Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed
- pseingatl 7mo agoIf you want to get the Iranian side of the story, look at presstv.ir.
- nubg 7mo agoThanks, but it seems down?
- 2Gkashmiri 7mo agorumble.com/presstv
- defrost 7mo agoReachable and up WRT W.Australia - perhaps DNS / otherwise blocked in your location.
- kome 7mo agoprobably your provider is censoring it. it's working here.
- tgma 7mo ago> Iranian side of the story Islamic regime's side. Rather key distinction v. Iranian people.
- MrBuddyCasino 7mo agoWhat do you think the New York Times or CNN is (or rather, were).
- tgma 7mo agoVaries. Not all of them are equal. At least not in the same way. Distinctions are important. NYT, for example, employs Farnaz Fassihi who's a known regime shill. CNN recently sent a reporter live to the region who has to operate under the regime's restrictions to be let in and cannot accurately report everything even if they wanted to. Same with Reuters who has an office inside. They basically had a choice to bite the bullet and agree to the terms and be one of the few foreign reporters with access, or not have access at all and freely report. That said, PressTV is different from the above a it's an officially a state-operated entity, so it is not a question of mere bias.
- watwut 7mo agoI am afraid that this will bring them closer together. That the people who would welcome outside world to do a magical thing that reforms Iran wont like the practical thing the world actually did. By afraid I am not saying it will happen, it is not a prediction. I think that it is a risk.
- tgma 7mo agoAfter they killed 40k+ in Jan? Perhaps.
- kakacik 7mo agoCurrent campaigns will kill way more iranians. Plus regime didn't bomb 200 girls to pieces in their school, did it. Thats extremely hard sell, with cherry on top when you have a literal video of tomahawks hitting that area during that time and trump claiming it was iranians who bombed it... just spits and insults in the face
- tgma 7mo ago> Current campaigns will kill way more iranians. Your math is not mathing. 30-40k in 2 days unarmed civilians vs I dunno 6k almost all military in a week? If you look at the stats of executions etc you'll see civilian casualties in Iran go DOWN while being bombed. > regime didn't bomb 200 girls to pieces in their school, did it. Yes, actually they did. It was their own missile. Just like the Ukrainian plane they shot down a few years back.
- kakacik 7mo agoI said will, please read comments more thoroughly before replying. Everybody agrees this war will drag for some time. Care to backup those wild claims with any facts? The video of tomahawk I talk about is circulating all over internet, so its pretty uphill battle to discredit it when clearly tomahawks are landing
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- pzo 7mo agowhat stops us to use the same naming and call it USA Regime, Israeli Regime at this point?
- tgma 7mo agoNothing stops you, but I suppose murdering tens of thousands of your own people is a fairly clear delineation that you are not a singular entity?
- pzo 7mo agoif for you to be qualified as regime is to murder tens of thousands of your own people then I think you put too high bar on it. I guess killing only few thousands or even few hundreds in your definition would rule out to someone being called totalitarian/autocratic regimes? How about not murdering own people but thousands other people? How is it called? Nazi germany AFAIK mostly murdered millions of other people. People use this name (Regime) wrong - worth to at least read definion on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regime
- tgma 7mo agoLook, I don't understand what you are debating here. I already agreed you can call USA regime just that should you choose to. I don't mind. You might get a scholarship to Columbia while at it. My post was simply to clarify to the reader that PressTV is owned by the regime in Iran.
- whycombigator 7mo agoGive it time...
- aa-jv 7mo agoWhat do you call a regime which protects cannibal pedophiles?
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- kome 7mo agousa + israel = imperialism + genocide this should seriously stop. and i am very sad Europeans are spineless and following the US in another insane middle-east war. wasn't afghanistan and iraq enough?
- spiderfarmer 7mo ago"Europe" is not following the US in this.
- tchalla 7mo agoBut silently watching on the sides. The moral lectures will come out with Ukraine though on what other countries should and should not do.
- kome 7mo agoin what Europe are you living sorry? The only one outspoken against the war have been the Spanish. UK, Italy and Germany are on it - offering logistical support and everything the US needs.
- gib444 7mo agoUK is bossed around by the US, ever since WW2. We don't have many choices that don't involve the USA inflicting revenge. They're bullies It's like criticising an abused wife with no job no money and not many friends for not just leaving immediately, and the husband is rich, powerful and knows everyone
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- kuerbel 7mo agoI fear that the push for increasing defense spending in Europe was in preparation for a new NATO alliance case. They are certainly going to try it.
- manyaoman 7mo agohttps://archive.is/VUzow https://archive.is/VUzow
- JV00 7mo ago"Help is coming" they said. This certainly excludes that the Iranian protesters will ever side with the west again. Terrible strategic move.
- thowjofadf89234 7mo agoPrice of a nation disagreeing from turning its people into lowly peasants of the Global Liberal Borg (TM)'s and not accepting its "assigned" role of satrap-y. In contrast, look at the ignominious history in India (-n subcontinent) over the past millennia - whose moron elites are so deluded that they end up selling even more Anglo-American colonization in the name of decolonization. Fascinating evolution of these two cousin nations.
- lwansbrough 7mo agoTell me: is the US supposed to stand idly by while the Iranian regime develops nuclear weapons? They pursue nuclear weapons of their own volition, by the way. There are paranuclear states and nuclear threshold states which have not pursued nuclear weapons and have delivered on providing for their people in every manner in which a human society needs. So what does Iran hope to achieve that diplomacy cannot? At what point does it turn from a "disagreement" to a credible existential threat that an adversary cannot ignore?
- spiderfarmer 7mo agoWell. After you've misled the world into supporting the USA in Iraq: "WHERE IS THE PROOF?" This time, you didn't even try to submit proof. The "feeling" of your delusional president should be enough. Or not even that, since the reasoning changes daily. Try harder.
- lwansbrough 7mo agoI'm not American. There is a host of publicly available proof of Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons. It is not, and has never been, a well kept secret of the regime.
- pzo 7mo agoPentagon made few reports that Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons - I bet they have better intelligence that you. Their killed religious leader made fatwa that forbid having or using weapons of mass destruction. Surprisingly now when he is gone they can pursue it after being attacked. Also worth to watch many Bibi talks since 1980s where he sais Iran will have nukes very soon and this didn't materialize in 40 years.
- lwansbrough 7mo agoI was wondering today how many people will develop cancer in a few years because of this. Why must Israel be so duplicitous? It is exhausting.
- Al-Khwarizmi 7mo agoIt's not even duplicitous because that implies some sort of benevolent facade. It's outright evil.
- lwansbrough 7mo agoIsrael does employ a facade of a liberal democracy that aligns itself to some extent with Western culture. Though this is very much in decline and I think, generally, sentiment on Israel has shifted quite dramatically in the West in recent years.
- SauciestGNU 7mo agoIsrael perhaps used to project that sort of facade. With Bibi and the authoritarian ultranationalists in government, combined with the lack of a written constitution restraining power and protecting rights (for whatever that would be worth), I think that facade is forever gone. Israel is descending into an expansionist theocratic ethnostate and rapidly illiberalizing. Just look at the recent criminalization of women praying at a certain holy site.
- CommanderData 7mo agoIt cares not that the world suffers for it's selfish aims.
- kuerbel 7mo agoIt all started with the war in Gaza. We, the West collectively, with the exception of only a few European states like Spain and Ireland, allowed them to perpetrate war crimes, which were rarely met with criticism, let alone consequences.
- Incipient 7mo agoPersonally I do have serious concerns about the direction 'the west' is going with the current issues of immigration, violence, and general migration to a lower trust environment...however trying to burn a capital to the ground definitely seems like the wrong approach making it any better.
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- yetihehe 7mo agoI think in reality they don't want to make it better...
- spiderfarmer 7mo agoDid you, after all you've seen, think the people currently in power in the USA are capable of making reasonable decisions? Vote these people out please.
- camillomiller 7mo agoI fear that with this people in power we are past that already. We'll see soon, I suppose. Trump and his goons will not leave power through elections.
- amazingman 7mo agoWhich has been obvious since 2015. 11 years later and many of us still can't even convince our own family members that Trump and Trumpism are appreciably different than "the left".
- throwaway-11-1 7mo agoI trust my cool as hell Pakistani immigrant neighbors 10000x more than Bill gates, or Mark Zuckerberg or any other 'native born' pedophile associated oligarch. Sorry if thats woke :(
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- spiderfarmer 7mo agoSurely: This will make the US safer. This will make stuff cheaper. This is a well thought out war. It will improve the US economoy. It will not destabilise the region. This will make life better for Americans. It will in no way make people hate the USA.
- codemog 7mo agoGreat use of tax dollars while the American people face all time cost of living highs among a plethora of many other problems. It’s sickening.
- spiderfarmer 7mo agoProblem is, it's not being paid with tax dollars. The USA spent 10 trillion on wars over the last decades and none of it was paid with tax dollars. It is all borrowed or printed. And the wars wouldn't have happened without them having those options, because Americans don't even want this.
- harperlee 7mo agoAnd that borrow/print in the end is either future tax dollars/inflation/US pays, stealing from other nations, or default on debt.
- MrBuddyCasino 7mo ago"the reason iran is a geopolitical threat is because they could block the strait of hormuz and cripple the world’s economy, something they have never done. so we bombed them until they did that" https://x.com/questionableway/status/2030020476689318046 https://x.com/questionableway/status/2030020476689318046
- MrBuddyCasino 7mo agoThis is madness. The whole region is dependent on very fragile technological infrastructure, that once it is gone, will start a countdown to the death of millions. If things like oil depots and water desalination plants are no longer off limits, this will turn into a huge humanitarian catastrophe.
- keiferski 7mo agoThis whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidate to at least attempt sticking to campaign promises, then the entire process is irrational. Presumably the mechanism is supposed to be Congress and impeachment, but that doesn’t work if the president is directly influencing their election campaigns. I do wonder if / how something could be implemented that addresses this, beyond just losing at the next election.
- ikr678 7mo agoThis used to be the job of the third estate, but traditional media has all been captured and the algorithms have done the rest, drowning us in a sea of content.
- davkan 7mo agoThe media is the fourth estate. In the modern US the first three are often interpreted as the branches of government. Historically estates were often some combination of the nobility, the clergy, and the commoners.
- ethbr1 7mo ago> but traditional media has all been captured and the algorithms have done the rest We should be explicit about what happened: Google and Facebook skimmed off most of advertising revenue that previously supported journalism. Then neither originated new news in quantity or quality to replace what they ate. Revenues (from ads) without costs (of paying journalists) = their profits. Now, we have orders of magnitude less professional journalism. When you boil it down, their business models are less about being clever and more about redirecting a huge, previously-social-good flow of money through their toll gates and taxing it.
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- jonatron 7mo agoCrude oil is over $100/barrel now, affecting almost everyone everywhere.
- piva00 7mo agoThere's no off ramp whatsoever for both Iran, and Israel and the USA. This will trigger a global recession, everything is about to get much more expensive. Absolute disaster, all to fill up the coffers of American oil companies...
- ahsillyme 7mo agoI don't think any reasonable person would think this decision works to fill the coffers of anybody. Everyone is getting shafted.
- piva00 7mo agoOil companies in the USA seeing a price hike from ~US$60 to over US$100? It definitely fills their coffers, lots of barely-profitable/non-profitable shale extraction becomes viable. Of course, there's also the angle with Miriam Adelson who might have sweet talked Trump into going aboard with Israel on this disaster.
- ahsillyme 7mo agoAlright, it was my assumption that we'll be left with a totally dysfunctional economy, and in that sense whatever's in you bank account means very little. If I were an oil exec I wouldn't trade that world from what we had before even if money was my only objective.
- myvoiceismypass 7mo agoIf the TV show Landman is to believed, its not all rosy for the oil companies when prices go over $100 because it leads to people using less gas: "Well, you want oil to live above 60 but below 90. And don’t get me wrong, we’re still printing money at 90, but gas gets up over $3.50 a gallon, it starts to pinch. It hits a hundred, every product in America has to readjust its price. $78 a barrel, that’s about perfect. You know, brings enough profit to keep exploring, but it don’t sting as much at the pump."
- Devasta 7mo agoRegardless of what you feel about the government of Iran, it is not inaccurate to say that country is in a fight for survival against a cabal of child molestors working to bring about the apocalypse. Anything they do in this conflict is justified, anything less than their total victory is a disaster for the world.
- jjtwixman 7mo agoThis is sort of how I see it. It's so difficult to believe that the USA+Israel winning would be a good thing, if it then means that Trump just invades another country after it. He will not stop until a country stops him. It looks like it could easily be Iran.
- mancerayder 7mo agoIs that the new anti-semitic trope now, Epstein and the world Jewry? If not, what kind of facts are you linking together to have Iran defending themselves from child molesters? The more I see the intellectual level of the political discussions here, the more I understand why dang and moderators discourage political discourse.
- Hikikomori 7mo agoIt's an Epstein Mossad conspiracy. Maybe true, who knows. Israel does like to rape their prisoners and let sex criminals hide there.
- Devasta 7mo agoSorry, is it your assertion that Trump isn't a child molestor???
- throwaway132448 7mo agoWhy are threads on this topic (and its adjacents) always full of Americans blaming Israel for their own country’s actions? Is it a coping mechanism to not accept any moral accountability? Israel is minuscule in every way compared to the US.
- snvzz 7mo agoBecause, factually, this is a story about Israel's bombing of Iranian oil depots.
- Gud 7mo agoIsrael wields a lot of power over the US.
- throwaway132448 7mo agoThey said, without any justification at all, merely reinforcing my own point.
- sheikhnbake 7mo agoPeople want to shift blame. The influence and money between the US and Israel is a revolving door. The US gives Israel tons of money in defense and security contracts, orgs like AIPAC redistribute some of those funds back to the US to keep the revolving door greased. I think it's incorrect to say Israel is pulling the strings when admins of both have been colluding almost since Israel's existence.
- nullocator 7mo agoPeople are saying this now because Benjamin Netanyahu has vocally and persistently been trying to get into a full scale war with Iran for 40 years. The Trump Administration is the first administration corrupt, gullible, dumb enough to agree and commit. All other U.S. Admins have primarily postured or done limited retaliation based engagements with Iran or engaged in soft power activities and got comprehensive deals.
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- phr4ts 7mo agoList of terrorist groups sponsored by Iran Government 1. Hezbollah (Lebanon) 2. Hamas (Gaza Strip) 3. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Gaza Strip/West Bank) 4. The Houthis / Ansar Allah (Yemen) 5. Kata'ib Hezbollah (Iraq) 6. Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq (Iraq) 7. Harakat al-Nujaba (Iraq) 8. Kata'ib Sayyid al-Shuhada (Iraq) 9. Harakat Ansar Allah al-Awfiya (Iraq) 10. Kata'ib al-Imam Ali (Iraq) 11. Badr Organization (Iraq) 12. Liwa Fatemiyoun (Syria/Afghanistan) 13. Liwa Zaynabiyoun (Syria/Pakistan) 14. Al-Ashtar Brigades (Bahrain) 15. Saraya al-Mukhtar (Bahrain) 16. Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades (West Bank) 17. Popular Resistance Committees (Gaza Strip) 18. Lions' Den (West Bank) 19. Hezbollah Al-Hijaz (Saudi Arabia) 20. Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) - Quds Force (Regional/Iran)
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- mancerayder 7mo agoThis is downvoted, but comments mentioning pedophilia, Israel controlling the US, and other conspiratorial tropes are getting upvoted. And the folks will leave here believing still that a pro-Israel bias exists here.
- thrance 7mo agoLesser of two evils, I guess. People are tired of Israel/The US annihilating girl schools with expensive missile strikes and then have to hear from Netanyahou that it was actuall an Hamas/Hezbollah/Whatever hidden base. Also notice that you won't find any support for these terrorist organizations here, so I don't know what listing them achieves.
- array_key_first 7mo agoI don't see how pedophilia is a conspiratorial trope. The Epstein files are real. Yes it sucks that most of our leaders are the absolute bottom of the barrel of what humanity can offer, but unfortunately it's also the truth. And I also don't think anyone thinks Israel controls the US. They don't. Rather, the US will do almost anything to defend Israel, even if it's self-destructive. This isn't based off of words or conspiracy, but rather actions. Lots and lots of actions, which cannot be denied.
- blini-kot 7mo ago"Tehran oil sites on fire as Iran exchanges strikes with Israel and US – video report" You know, the usual independent and objective framing - its "Iran exchanges strikes", not "Israel and US started a war of aggression amid negotiations and bombed Tehran" or whatever
- ghusto 7mo agoIt's the Guardian. Not exactly known for it's unbiased and objective reporting.
- spiderfarmer 7mo agoEarlier today in the NYTimes, this gem of unbiased headlines: "A U.S. Tomahawk missile hit a naval base beside an Iranian school, video shows." While in the article: "A newly released video adds to the evidence that an American missile likely hit an Iranian elementary school where 175 people, many of them children, were reported killed." So: "Evidence shows US Tomahawk Missile Killed 175 people after it hits a Iranian elementary school" Would be more apt.
- manyaoman 7mo agoI don't think that's correct according to the newly published video. Correct me if wrong, but I think it shows a Tomahawk hitting nearby the school, and based on the amount of dust it seems that the school was already hit moments earlier. So it still isn't 100% clear if the school was also hit by a Tomahawk or by something else.
- ghusto 7mo agoThe moment Trump said he'd like to have a say in the next _Ayatollah_, was when the knife went it. Listen, we know you weren't in it because you're such a swell guy, we're not stupid. But now we don't even get what we were willing to bend over for in the first place (to get rid of the regime)?!
- yubblegum 7mo agoWhat the Zionist have have been doing in Iran is criminal, plain and simple. Bad news for "Israel", what goes around comes around. And even more ominous for "Israel", God Shall not be Mocked. Some seem to never learn.
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