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> if it's offered as a description, I don't think it's in bad faith It was obviously in bad faith because it was used to paint one side as particularly evil f

> if it's offered as a description, I don't think it's in bad faith It was obviously in bad faith because it was used to paint one side as particularly evil for something that is perfectly normal. > Putting barracks among hospitals and putting them underneath them are different. ... its proxies have This, besides being of absolutely no relevance here (and therefore only brought in as a way to paint one side as particularly evil) is another unproven allegation by Israel, that used it repeatedly to strike hospital and destroy most civilian infrastructure in Gaza (even in the already conquered parts- demolished with explosives, exactly like the Nazis did in Warsaw).

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> another unproven allegation by Israel There is substantial evidence Hamas stored munitions in hospitals and at schools. One hospital in particular has long been notorious for dual use issues [1]. We don't yet know if Iran is doing this. (There are allegations. But not yet substantiated.) But if a source is confused about whether Hamas waged war from hospitals and schools, it's not a reliable source for this war. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospital#2007_Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shi...
- throw310822 8mo ago
  The Wikipedia page you linked is called "Alleged military use.." and the title has a reason: there is no proof whatsoever except for allegations from Israel and the US. Israel has been proven time and again to lie about pretty much everything and the US unfortunately base their "intelligence" on what they're fed by Israel.
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > there is no proof whatsoever except for allegations from Israel and the US For the hospital in the current war, sources are broader than that. When I last looked, German, Indian and Chinese languages sources were concluding similarly to the U.S. Go back to 2014 and it’s pretty much agreed across the board that hospitals were being used for military purposes. (And torture.) I suspect we’ll see similar clarity once the fog of war burns off, and I say that while acknowledging that it implicate Israel.

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago

> another unproven allegation by Israel There is substantial evidence Hamas stored munitions in hospitals and at schools. One hospital in particular has long been notorious for dual use issues [1]. We don't yet know if Iran is doing this. (There are allegations. But not yet substantiated.) But if a source is confused about whether Hamas waged war from hospitals and schools, it's not a reliable source for this war. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospital#2007_Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shi...

throw310822 8mo ago
The Wikipedia page you linked is called "Alleged military use.." and the title has a reason: there is no proof whatsoever except for allegations from Israel and the US. Israel has been proven time and again to lie about pretty much everything and the US unfortunately base their "intelligence" on what they're fed by Israel.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > there is no proof whatsoever except for allegations from Israel and the US For the hospital in the current war, sources are broader than that. When I last looked, German, Indian and Chinese languages sources were concluding similarly to the U.S. Go back to 2014 and it’s pretty much agreed across the board that hospitals were being used for military purposes. (And torture.) I suspect we’ll see similar clarity once the fog of war burns off, and I say that while acknowledging that it implicate Israel.