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> We’ve combined lab-grown neurons with silicon chips and made it available to anyone, for first time ever. There is a line somewhere here that I personally fe
by dustfinger 7mo ago
> We’ve combined lab-grown neurons with silicon chips and made it available to anyone, for first time ever.
There is a line somewhere here that I personally feel we should not cross.
- virgildotcodes 7mo ago100% We know that neurons can produce subjective experience. This is the first time in my life that I've felt a scientific avenue of research should shut down.
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- vixen99 7mo agoAt the very very least there are more productive ways of spending time.
- blizdiddy 7mo agoAnimal testing, weapons testing, medical trials, cloning, psychological experiments… had you just never considered them before? Why this?
- thierrydamiba 7mo agoSame reason people get scared to fly but drive everyday. Humans are simultaneously wildly irrational and terrible at calculating risk.
- api 7mo agoNot sure why this is being downvoted. It’s a valid point. This neuron chip stuff is far less problematic than a lot of animal testing where you clearly have a whole organism that experiences something. Factory farming too. The way we treat chickens in particular is out of a horror movie, and that’s in countries with some standards. Globally I’m sure many billions of animals are constantly submitted to the most grotesque torture for food.
- ryeights 7mo agoThose things all exist within our conscious realm. “Human brain cells in a vat used for computation” suggests horrors beyond understanding
- NegativeLatency 7mo agoThis is somewhat novel unlike say weapons manufacturing. Also assuming that the GP is in the tech community to some degree, it makes sense they’d have a stronger reaction. There’s lots of bad stuff humans shouldn’t be doing.
- virgildotcodes 7mo agoI spoke inaccurately. I’m an ethical vegan and nonconsensual animal industry and testing is an atrocity, as it would be were we to substitute in humans. That said, the novelty of this, the unknowns, the mind reels at all the possibilities here and it frankly makes me nauseous. What hells of existence could we create? I have no doubt that we could create an all encompassing misery that is beyond our comprehension. Just, truly disgusting to me on a deep level.
- namero999 7mo agoWe don't really know that.
- bogwog 7mo agoSounds like you're applying scifi tropes to real life. Don't do that. That's why some people are developing "AI psychosis" today after playing with LLMs.
- everforward 7mo agoThe fear is that we don’t really understand what causes consciousness. I think that’s a valid fear, because we can’t know ahead of time whether we will inadvertently create a “person” inside the machine. Unless your proposition is that no collection of human neurons outside of live birth can become sentient, and I’m not sure how you’d arrive at that conclusion without invoking some kind of spiritual argument.
- newsy-combi 7mo agoYou're equivocating two totally separate things
- ZunarJ5 7mo agoTo be a fly on the wall in that ethics committee meeting...
- exe34 7mo agoI have no mouth and I must scream.
- wigster 7mo agoit is a terrifying thought.
- DetroitThrow 7mo agoWe grew a brain on a petri dish, gave it a shotgun, and sent it to hell. Next up, we teach it to speed run Getting Over It. What a horrible existence.
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- doug_durham 7mo agoI’m confused by this statement. A neuron is a machine. A silicon chip computer is a machine. All they have done is interfaced two machines.
- birdsongs 7mo agoThis is naive or in bad faith. Sure, a neuron is a machine. 200,000 neurons connected in a matrix is a brain, albeit a very primitive one. Ants have 250,000 neurons in their brains.
- doug_durham 7mo agoHow is it naive? You admit that an individual neuron is a machine. 200k neurons in a petri dish isn't a brain. I'm not the naive one here.