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So society laughed at Sony for restricting the OS on the PS5 and refused to buy it? Because I'm pretty sure one person going through a ridiculous effort to ins

by tw04 7mo ago

So society laughed at Sony for restricting the OS on the PS5 and refused to buy it? Because I'm pretty sure one person going through a ridiculous effort to install linux isn't reflective of society rejecting the restriction. 92.2M units sold, as of today 1 unit? running Linux.

irishcoffee 7mo ago
“Society rejecting the restriction” huh? Someone proved you wrong, you need more than one person to do it now? Goal posts, moved. Not everything needs to have political, teenage angst applied to it.
- tw04 7mo ago
  Political teenage angst? Is English not your native language? One person taking an action isn’t reflective of society collectively rejecting something. This isn’t an opinion up for debate. 90M+ consoles sold is proof society has completely accepted the idea of a locked ecosystem with hardware they don’t get to control.
  - irishcoffee 7mo ago
    You’re bitching about society accepting something. Teenage angst. You’re nailing it.
    - piva00 7mo ago
      You are quite grating on how you reply to people. Be more respectful, even more when insulting someone as having "teenage angst" while acting like someone suffering from teenage angst when replying.
dylan604 7mo ago
> as of today 1 unit? running Linux. I think you are misinterpreting that number. It would be better read as "as of today, the first PS5 running Linux". There were people running racks of PS3s as Linux servers back in the day not as gaming stations but compute using its hardware. People will do crazy things. Do not write them off.
- Uvix 7mo ago
  Those PS3s were sold with official Linux support, so running racks of them wasn't quite as crazy as it might have sounded at first.
  - dylan604 7mo ago
    Until Sony revoked the ability to do that, so people went back in to hack them so they could go back to running Linux
    - musicale 7mo ago
      They shut it down due to (likely valid) concerns that it could potentially be leveraged to jailbreak the regular PS3 OS and/or run unlicensed commercial games.
      - 3form 7mo ago
        The former being a fairly weak argument, and the latter I can't say I understand at all. Why would they care whether your software is licensed?
        musicale 7mo ago
        You omitted the important "commercial" part. The reason they care whether your commercial software is licensed is that their business model is charging for software licenses for that software. Once there were indications that people were very much interested in, and working on, running rips of commercial games on PS3 Linux, and/or leveraging OtherOS to jailbreak a stock PS3, it was basically game over for OtherOS/PS3 Linux, in spite of the fact that it had been advertised on the box (of the original "fat" PS3) as a feature of the system. Piracy (in the running unlicensed commercial games/copyright infringement sense) had long been the killer app for jailbreaking, including mod chips (and other schemes for playing CD-R "backups") for the PS1 and PS2, as well as PSP jailbreaks and custom firmware; homebrew notwithstanding, the most popular use was playing commercial games without paying for them. Sony also nerfed the original 5-console installation (aka "game sharing") for PSN games after players organized public game sharing web sites to split the cost of games 5 ways. "No one could have predicted this!" as they (don't) say.

by tw04 7mo ago

irishcoffee 7mo ago

“Society rejecting the restriction” huh? Someone proved you wrong, you need more than one person to do it now? Goal posts, moved. Not everything needs to have political, teenage angst applied to it.

tw04 7mo ago
Political teenage angst? Is English not your native language? One person taking an action isn’t reflective of society collectively rejecting something. This isn’t an opinion up for debate. 90M+ consoles sold is proof society has completely accepted the idea of a locked ecosystem with hardware they don’t get to control.
- irishcoffee 7mo ago
  You’re bitching about society accepting something. Teenage angst. You’re nailing it.
  - piva00 7mo ago
    You are quite grating on how you reply to people. Be more respectful, even more when insulting someone as having "teenage angst" while acting like someone suffering from teenage angst when replying.

dylan604 7mo ago

> as of today 1 unit? running Linux. I think you are misinterpreting that number. It would be better read as "as of today, the first PS5 running Linux". There were people running racks of PS3s as Linux servers back in the day not as gaming stations but compute using its hardware. People will do crazy things. Do not write them off.

Uvix 7mo ago
Those PS3s were sold with official Linux support, so running racks of them wasn't quite as crazy as it might have sounded at first.
- dylan604 7mo ago
  Until Sony revoked the ability to do that, so people went back in to hack them so they could go back to running Linux
  - musicale 7mo ago
    They shut it down due to (likely valid) concerns that it could potentially be leveraged to jailbreak the regular PS3 OS and/or run unlicensed commercial games.
    - 3form 7mo ago
      The former being a fairly weak argument, and the latter I can't say I understand at all. Why would they care whether your software is licensed?
      - musicale 7mo ago
        You omitted the important "commercial" part. The reason they care whether your commercial software is licensed is that their business model is charging for software licenses for that software. Once there were indications that people were very much interested in, and working on, running rips of commercial games on PS3 Linux, and/or leveraging OtherOS to jailbreak a stock PS3, it was basically game over for OtherOS/PS3 Linux, in spite of the fact that it had been advertised on the box (of the original "fat" PS3) as a feature of the system. Piracy (in the running unlicensed commercial games/copyright infringement sense) had long been the killer app for jailbreaking, including mod chips (and other schemes for playing CD-R "backups") for the PS1 and PS2, as well as PSP jailbreaks and custom firmware; homebrew notwithstanding, the most popular use was playing commercial games without paying for them. Sony also nerfed the original 5-console installation (aka "game sharing") for PSN games after players organized public game sharing web sites to split the cost of games 5 ways. "No one could have predicted this!" as they (don't) say.