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Dude, default plasma breeze theme, remove rounded corners, you have the windows 10 interface. What else do you want?

lunar_rover 7mo ago
> What else do you want? No alignment issues, menus sorted by professional designers, easier to learn UX like ribbon menus and a lot more. Feel like the design issues stem from it being shaped by existing power users. Familiarity tend to downplay design issues so stability took priority, even though the UX never should've been stabilised in the first place.
wao0uuno 7mo ago
I just want less of this: https://files.catbox.moe/uvxbea.png https://files.catbox.moe/uvxbea.png Look at it and tell me this is normal. I love Plasma but oh man do they need to hire a real designer. Someone with balls to unfuck the interface and move all advanced settings out of GUI into a well documented config file.
- aquariusDue 7mo ago
  While I prefer deeply nested menus (and I acknowledge I'm a weirdo at that) there's plasma-manager if you happen to use Nix and home-manager. I don't know if it will help in that specific case but if you'd rather have the config in a well documented file this could generally help. https://github.com/nix-community/plasma-manager https://github.com/nix-community/plasma-manager
  - wao0uuno 7mo ago
    Nothing wrong with nested menus. The problem is that plasma has a classic File menu inside of a hamburger menu hidden under a "More" button with a whole set of duplicated options that can be found in other parts of the interface. It's nuts. I'd rather have all that mess removed and settings 1% of the user base "needs" moved to a config file. I don't want to add an another layer of complexity with external configuration tools.
- ufmace 7mo ago
  That seems a bit contrived to me. Okay, that particular place is pretty deeply nested, but it's clearly a regular menu tucked away in there, with a option to show the menu bar. If you turn that on, then those options are half as deep. Or if you don't need to adjust those options, you don't go that deep. The sibling comment, meanwhile, is complaining about extra space devoted to explicit controls for all of the extra options. Well, you can't have it both ways. If you want to have a lot of features and options, you have to either devote some space in the main UI to them, or have a lot of deeply nested menus like that. Or I guess you could do a config file somewhere, but IMO that's even worse. If we're going to complain about bad UIs, isn't it even worse than some deeply nested menus to need to open a separate file somewhere else with a separate program and learn whatever config file syntax they happen to use.
- monegator 7mo ago
  Uh, dolphin could really use a rewrite IMO, but first we'd need to agree of how it should look like :(
WD-42 7mo ago
Here’s an example: https://imgur.com/a/konsole-vs-ghostty-tR4Otmy https://imgur.com/a/konsole-vs-ghostty-tR4Otmy Konsole on left, ghostty (which is gtk) on right. The latter has at least 3 additional lines visible outputting the same command. The giant copy paste buttons, tab bar which wastes a ton of space, are typical of kde apps. The klutter isn’t just visually annoying it makes the apps less useful.
- Pxtl 7mo ago
  Honestly this is the only complaint I agree with. KDE plasma desktop and its configurability looks and feels great... but all their in house actual windowed applications like Konsole and Kate are mediocre at best. All that duplicated effort seems wasteful.
  - array_key_first 7mo ago
    It's honestly just Konsole. Kate is very good, you can legitimately use it as a vscode replacement if you want. Dolphin is also the best file manager and it's not even close. And then kmail... kmail is bad.
    - Pxtl 7mo ago
      I don't want Kate to be vscode, I want it to be notepad.exe. I want it to open a document instantly and let me edit and save and close with no distractions or delays. I have vscode for vscode.
      - array_key_first 7mo ago
        I think Kate does that, it just also has a bunch of other functionality.
      - GreenWatermelon 7mo ago
        For just notepad you have kwrite.
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account42 7mo ago
There is no default breeze theme unfortunatley, at least not one that isn't a function of time because they can't help themselves from messing with it instead of crating a new theme.

> What else do you want? No alignment issues, menus sorted by professional designers, easier to learn UX like ribbon menus and a lot more. Feel like the design issues stem from it being shaped by existing power users. Familiarity tend to downplay design issues so stability took priority, even though the UX never should've been stabilised in the first place.

wao0uuno 7mo ago

I just want less of this: https://files.catbox.moe/uvxbea.png https://files.catbox.moe/uvxbea.png Look at it and tell me this is normal. I love Plasma but oh man do they need to hire a real designer. Someone with balls to unfuck the interface and move all advanced settings out of GUI into a well documented config file.

aquariusDue 7mo ago
While I prefer deeply nested menus (and I acknowledge I'm a weirdo at that) there's plasma-manager if you happen to use Nix and home-manager. I don't know if it will help in that specific case but if you'd rather have the config in a well documented file this could generally help. https://github.com/nix-community/plasma-manager https://github.com/nix-community/plasma-manager
- wao0uuno 7mo ago
  Nothing wrong with nested menus. The problem is that plasma has a classic File menu inside of a hamburger menu hidden under a "More" button with a whole set of duplicated options that can be found in other parts of the interface. It's nuts. I'd rather have all that mess removed and settings 1% of the user base "needs" moved to a config file. I don't want to add an another layer of complexity with external configuration tools.
ufmace 7mo ago
That seems a bit contrived to me. Okay, that particular place is pretty deeply nested, but it's clearly a regular menu tucked away in there, with a option to show the menu bar. If you turn that on, then those options are half as deep. Or if you don't need to adjust those options, you don't go that deep. The sibling comment, meanwhile, is complaining about extra space devoted to explicit controls for all of the extra options. Well, you can't have it both ways. If you want to have a lot of features and options, you have to either devote some space in the main UI to them, or have a lot of deeply nested menus like that. Or I guess you could do a config file somewhere, but IMO that's even worse. If we're going to complain about bad UIs, isn't it even worse than some deeply nested menus to need to open a separate file somewhere else with a separate program and learn whatever config file syntax they happen to use.
monegator 7mo ago
Uh, dolphin could really use a rewrite IMO, but first we'd need to agree of how it should look like :(

WD-42 7mo ago

Here’s an example: https://imgur.com/a/konsole-vs-ghostty-tR4Otmy https://imgur.com/a/konsole-vs-ghostty-tR4Otmy Konsole on left, ghostty (which is gtk) on right. The latter has at least 3 additional lines visible outputting the same command. The giant copy paste buttons, tab bar which wastes a ton of space, are typical of kde apps. The klutter isn’t just visually annoying it makes the apps less useful.

Pxtl 7mo ago
Honestly this is the only complaint I agree with. KDE plasma desktop and its configurability looks and feels great... but all their in house actual windowed applications like Konsole and Kate are mediocre at best. All that duplicated effort seems wasteful.
- array_key_first 7mo ago
  It's honestly just Konsole. Kate is very good, you can legitimately use it as a vscode replacement if you want. Dolphin is also the best file manager and it's not even close. And then kmail... kmail is bad.
  - Pxtl 7mo ago
    I don't want Kate to be vscode, I want it to be notepad.exe. I want it to open a document instantly and let me edit and save and close with no distractions or delays. I have vscode for vscode.
    - array_key_first 7mo ago
      I think Kate does that, it just also has a bunch of other functionality.
    - GreenWatermelon 7mo ago
      For just notepad you have kwrite.
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account42 7mo ago

There is no default breeze theme unfortunatley, at least not one that isn't a function of time because they can't help themselves from messing with it instead of crating a new theme.