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I’m not trying to muddy any situation. I don’t have to: Reality has a lot of nuance. Besides, it is possible to both agree that these tariffs should never have

I’m not trying to muddy any situation. I don’t have to: Reality has a lot of nuance. Besides, it is possible to both agree that these tariffs should never have been implemented in the first place and have some sympathy for the agency that has literally never had to do something like this at this scale before and is now under duress to come up with a working, legal, and fair mechanism for implementing one at breakneck speed.

pavel_lishin 8mo ago
I think you'll have to dig very deep to strike any sympathy for the CBP.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > you'll have to dig very deep to strike any sympathy for the CBP Not me. They’re ordinary people doing administrative tasks. Most of them have dutifully turned up for work and done their jobs as the law required them to. They’re now being asked to work overtime to fix a mistake they didn’t make.
  - mrguyorama 8mo ago
    Just following literally illegal orders.
    - otterley 8mo ago
      They didn’t know they were illegal at the time, and no court had ruled they were until literally just last week. Besides, we’re taking about imposing tariffs, not depriving people of life or liberty. Have some persective.
      - kasey_junk 8mo ago
        That’s not true. 2 different courts ruled them illegal months ago. The administration decided to fight it abnd each time they lost. It certainly would have been prudent for cbp to contemplate this very scenario given their own lawyers predicted it. But let’s be honest, that would have gotten them fired.
- otterley 8mo ago
  CBP is a sprawling agency charged with a broad variety of responsibilities. You can possess furious anger at the gestapo-like tactics the Border Patrol have engaged in while also feeling sympathy for the customs agent charged with accurately collecting duties on millions of dollars worth of imports every day and filing the mountains of paperwork that go along with that.

pavel_lishin 8mo ago

I think you'll have to dig very deep to strike any sympathy for the CBP.

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> you'll have to dig very deep to strike any sympathy for the CBP Not me. They’re ordinary people doing administrative tasks. Most of them have dutifully turned up for work and done their jobs as the law required them to. They’re now being asked to work overtime to fix a mistake they didn’t make.
- mrguyorama 8mo ago
  Just following literally illegal orders.
  - otterley 8mo ago
    They didn’t know they were illegal at the time, and no court had ruled they were until literally just last week. Besides, we’re taking about imposing tariffs, not depriving people of life or liberty. Have some persective.
    - kasey_junk 8mo ago
      That’s not true. 2 different courts ruled them illegal months ago. The administration decided to fight it abnd each time they lost. It certainly would have been prudent for cbp to contemplate this very scenario given their own lawyers predicted it. But let’s be honest, that would have gotten them fired.
otterley 8mo ago
CBP is a sprawling agency charged with a broad variety of responsibilities. You can possess furious anger at the gestapo-like tactics the Border Patrol have engaged in while also feeling sympathy for the customs agent charged with accurately collecting duties on millions of dollars worth of imports every day and filing the mountains of paperwork that go along with that.