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If you have trouble accessing the site: https://archive.is/MbT8n https://archive.is/MbT8n

JaggedJax 7mo ago
I would recommend the Wayback machine archive instead: https://web.archive.org/web/20260306172113/https://community.torproject.org/relay/community-resources/good-bad-isps/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260306172113/https://community... Given that archive.is is known to DDOS and alter archives (See all the recent HN posts about them)
- observationist 7mo ago
  I'm perfectly happy to continue using archive.is for so long as it remains functional.
  - Cider9986 7mo ago
    I support the owner of archive.today. He has created one of the most valuable services on the internet to protect freedom of information.
- anonym29 7mo ago
  archive.org outright removes large numbers of pages, including political content; archive.is has edited a handful of pages to redact the doxxing of the archive.is owners.
  - observationist 7mo ago
    The editing they do in self preservation is understandable, and far less wrong than having to kowtow to political pressure and private influence; archive.org is great, but unreliable in ways that archive.is et al are not. They're both very useful, in complementary ways. I even think what archive.is did to their detractor was understandable - in poor taste, definitely black hat, don't do stuff like that, immature as hell, but hey, I get the human impulse that led to the bad decision, and I'm not gonna base whether I use the site or not on that.
  - 8cvor6j844qw_d6 7mo ago
    True. archive.org complies with removal requests from site owners [1]. The problem is that the content most worth preserving is exactly the content people try hardest to get taken down. If archive.is goes down, and between the FBI subpoena and the Wikipedia ban the pressure is real, archive.org becomes the de facto monopoly in web archival. A monopoly that honors takedown requests is not a reliable record of history. [1]: https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-request-to-remove-something-from-archive-org/ https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-request-to-remove-som...
    - Akronymus 7mo ago
      also, archive.org only verifies the current owner of the domain for takedowns. So if a site was hosting content, that content was archived the site then shut down and someone else acquired the domain, the new owner could request the removal of the old content.
- JaggedJax 7mo ago
  The turfing with this topic is strong and needs to be called out. Reliable sources are crucial now more than ever. We cannot tolerate and promote botnets once they are uncovered.
- gzread 7mo ago
  The life of the owner of archive.is is directly threatened by the people they are ineffectively attacking back, so I'm not sure I can really blame them.
  - Dylan16807 7mo ago
    Wasn't the information in that post pretty easy to get? No, I don't call that a direct threat.
  - cncnfnfn 7mo ago
    Who said anything about blame? You can blame whoever you want. The concern is that he’s shown he’s not a trustworthy archivist.
uyzstvqs 7mo ago
Or: http://xmrhfasfg5suueegrnc4gsgyi2tyclcy5oz7f5drnrodmdtob6t2ioyd.onion/relay/community-resources/good-bad-isps/index.html http://xmrhfasfg5suueegrnc4gsgyi2tyclcy5oz7f5drnrodmdtob6t2i...
- CableNinja 7mo ago
  What the fuck is this url
  - binaryturtle 7mo ago
    .onion, aka a TOR internal URL. They look like this.
    - halJordan 7mo ago
      And onion urls are a sha hash of i think the private key of the site
      - gzread 7mo ago
        They contain the full key now which is why they are longer. Apparently it was necessary to fix the vulnerabilities in the previous version. Public key obviously, not private.
    - vaylian 7mo ago
      Documentation: https://support.torproject.org/about-tor/onion-services/what-is-a-dot-onion/ https://support.torproject.org/about-tor/onion-services/what... There are also many web sites that provide an onion address in addition to their clearnet address. For example, the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50150981 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50150981
    - bombcar 7mo ago
      If I ever get a .onion (everyone should have an onion probably) I'll also register the same domain "dot net, it's dot com" just for the lols.
cc-d 7mo ago
thanks for rocking our archive site!

I would recommend the Wayback machine archive instead: https://web.archive.org/web/20260306172113/https://community.torproject.org/relay/community-resources/good-bad-isps/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260306172113/https://community... Given that archive.is is known to DDOS and alter archives (See all the recent HN posts about them)

observationist 7mo ago
I'm perfectly happy to continue using archive.is for so long as it remains functional.
- Cider9986 7mo ago
  I support the owner of archive.today. He has created one of the most valuable services on the internet to protect freedom of information.
anonym29 7mo ago
archive.org outright removes large numbers of pages, including political content; archive.is has edited a handful of pages to redact the doxxing of the archive.is owners.
- observationist 7mo ago
  The editing they do in self preservation is understandable, and far less wrong than having to kowtow to political pressure and private influence; archive.org is great, but unreliable in ways that archive.is et al are not. They're both very useful, in complementary ways. I even think what archive.is did to their detractor was understandable - in poor taste, definitely black hat, don't do stuff like that, immature as hell, but hey, I get the human impulse that led to the bad decision, and I'm not gonna base whether I use the site or not on that.
- 8cvor6j844qw_d6 7mo ago
  True. archive.org complies with removal requests from site owners [1]. The problem is that the content most worth preserving is exactly the content people try hardest to get taken down. If archive.is goes down, and between the FBI subpoena and the Wikipedia ban the pressure is real, archive.org becomes the de facto monopoly in web archival. A monopoly that honors takedown requests is not a reliable record of history. [1]: https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-request-to-remove-something-from-archive-org/ https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-request-to-remove-som...
  - Akronymus 7mo ago
    also, archive.org only verifies the current owner of the domain for takedowns. So if a site was hosting content, that content was archived the site then shut down and someone else acquired the domain, the new owner could request the removal of the old content.
JaggedJax 7mo ago
The turfing with this topic is strong and needs to be called out. Reliable sources are crucial now more than ever. We cannot tolerate and promote botnets once they are uncovered.
gzread 7mo ago
The life of the owner of archive.is is directly threatened by the people they are ineffectively attacking back, so I'm not sure I can really blame them.
- Dylan16807 7mo ago
  Wasn't the information in that post pretty easy to get? No, I don't call that a direct threat.
- cncnfnfn 7mo ago
  Who said anything about blame? You can blame whoever you want. The concern is that he’s shown he’s not a trustworthy archivist.

uyzstvqs 7mo ago

Or: http://xmrhfasfg5suueegrnc4gsgyi2tyclcy5oz7f5drnrodmdtob6t2ioyd.onion/relay/community-resources/good-bad-isps/index.html http://xmrhfasfg5suueegrnc4gsgyi2tyclcy5oz7f5drnrodmdtob6t2i...

CableNinja 7mo ago
What the fuck is this url
- binaryturtle 7mo ago
  .onion, aka a TOR internal URL. They look like this.
  - halJordan 7mo ago
    And onion urls are a sha hash of i think the private key of the site
    - gzread 7mo ago
      They contain the full key now which is why they are longer. Apparently it was necessary to fix the vulnerabilities in the previous version. Public key obviously, not private.
  - vaylian 7mo ago
    Documentation: https://support.torproject.org/about-tor/onion-services/what-is-a-dot-onion/ https://support.torproject.org/about-tor/onion-services/what... There are also many web sites that provide an onion address in addition to their clearnet address. For example, the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50150981 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50150981
  - bombcar 7mo ago
    If I ever get a .onion (everyone should have an onion probably) I'll also register the same domain "dot net, it's dot com" just for the lols.

cc-d 7mo ago

thanks for rocking our archive site!