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Mass deportation means economic contraction. The administration has promised to deport millions of people. Mass deportations on this scale will have a somewha

Mass deportation means economic contraction. The administration has promised to deport millions of people. Mass deportations on this scale will have a somewhat drastic effect, and the true mass deportation hasn't even started, because they haven't built enough concentration camps to facilitate the deportations. Unless it is stopped the job losses will be absolutely massive, and a tiny tiny footnote to the massive human suffering that the stated mass deportation is intended to cause.

marcosdumay 8mo ago
Mass deportation means economic contraction, and if done quickly it means economic disruption and loss of domestic wealth. Indiscriminate tariffs means deindustrialization, unpredictable tariffs means stagnation (inability to grow). Blatant corruption means stagnation. Aggressive international relations means disruption of any market that touches the rest of the world (with loss of wealth). Active war means the same thing as mass deportation and non-productive spending, so more contraction. Trump has an incredible ability to hit all the targets.
zjsisba 8mo ago
This is actually why Trump won’t do them, by the way. He’s already changed his rhetoric to “criminals only”. Trump is completely captured by business interests and is not America First. Mass immigration is the billionaire first position. Younger generations understand this, so we likely won’t see some change for a bit, but it is coming. And it makes sense - they’re the ones suffering most from unfettered immigration. Their birthright is being handed out to cheap labor, because the billionaires running our society see us as cattle.
- spencerflem 8mo ago
  You can be anti billionaire and still not be a fuckass racist
  - newfriend 8mo ago
    Immigrant isn't a race.
    - epistasis 8mo ago
      Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race. The accusation of blatant racism, come from police chiefs, from judges, as well as everybody experiencing the mass deportation. And the accusation of racism isn't that immigrants are a race, but the exact racial discrimination in who gets kidnapped and disappeared by masked men that are indistinguishable from criminals.
      - newfriend 8mo ago
        >Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race. Care to share your stats? This sounds like more of "I don't like this president, therefore what he's doing is wrong"
        deleted 8mo ago
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        epistasis 8mo ago
        I have what I stated in my comment. You are free to dismiss the experiences of whoever you want, of course, including Trump-friendly police chiefs, by dismissing them as "they must not like Trump and therefore lie." But that is quite a biased way to experience the world. Especially when Trump's own words about which immigrants he wants to get rid of. It's bias in service of a "fairness" that even the benefactor doesn't ask for. So why we exhibit such extreme bias in which evidence is admissable?
        newfriend 8mo ago
        So nothing. Just anecdotes. At least you admit it.
- dboreham 8mo ago
  It was always "criminals only", but the problem is they have quotas for the number of immigrants to deport, and can't (at all) get to those quotas by just deporting criminals.
  - epistasis 8mo ago
    Well the clear implication is that the class of "criminal" has been expanded. It used to be that you had to be convicted of a crime by a jury to be a criminal, now it's just anybody that Trump dislikes. Execution without investigation has been normalized and accepted, and that's exactly the intent. Trump fears the people, but if it were slightly more popular there would be even more people hired by ICE and we would be seeing the consitutional abuses that happen today in Minnesota in far more places across the country.
  - seneca 8mo ago
    > It was always "criminals only" This is absolutely false. It was always mass deportation of all illegal immigrants. The "worst of the worst" rhetoric is new. Here's a source, but there are many: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/trump-lays-out-agenda-including-mass-deportations-in-tv-interview https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/trump-lays-out-agen... > Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday, Trump reiterated his intention to deport every person who had entered the US without authorisation.
- gzread 8mo ago
  Which birthright?
jfengel 8mo ago
I'd have expected mass deportations to decrease the unemployment rate, since there are now a bunch of job openings. Some of those jobs will just disappear (resulting in job losses, which is what the headline is about), but unemployment (people looking for jobs and not finding them) is up. It does mean economic contraction, but that's yet another number. That would show up in GDP, but that number is really slow to collect. Data so far is actually pretty smooth, but that's to be expected.
- gman2093 8mo ago
  It also decreases the consumption rate. introduction of immigrant populations has not been shown to increase the unemployment rate, rather the opposite. https://www.epi.org/blog/immigrants-are-not-hurting-u-s-born-workers-six-facts-to-set-the-record-straight/ https://www.epi.org/blog/immigrants-are-not-hurting-u-s-born...
- pavel_lishin 8mo ago
  > I'd have expected mass deportations to decrease the unemployment rate, since there are now a bunch of job openings. Yes, for jobs that Americans don't typically want to do.

marcosdumay 8mo ago

Mass deportation means economic contraction, and if done quickly it means economic disruption and loss of domestic wealth. Indiscriminate tariffs means deindustrialization, unpredictable tariffs means stagnation (inability to grow). Blatant corruption means stagnation. Aggressive international relations means disruption of any market that touches the rest of the world (with loss of wealth). Active war means the same thing as mass deportation and non-productive spending, so more contraction. Trump has an incredible ability to hit all the targets.

zjsisba 8mo ago

This is actually why Trump won’t do them, by the way. He’s already changed his rhetoric to “criminals only”. Trump is completely captured by business interests and is not America First. Mass immigration is the billionaire first position. Younger generations understand this, so we likely won’t see some change for a bit, but it is coming. And it makes sense - they’re the ones suffering most from unfettered immigration. Their birthright is being handed out to cheap labor, because the billionaires running our society see us as cattle.

spencerflem 8mo ago
You can be anti billionaire and still not be a fuckass racist
- newfriend 8mo ago
  Immigrant isn't a race.
  - epistasis 8mo ago
    Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race. The accusation of blatant racism, come from police chiefs, from judges, as well as everybody experiencing the mass deportation. And the accusation of racism isn't that immigrants are a race, but the exact racial discrimination in who gets kidnapped and disappeared by masked men that are indistinguishable from criminals.
    - newfriend 8mo ago
      >Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race. Care to share your stats? This sounds like more of "I don't like this president, therefore what he's doing is wrong"
      - deleted 8mo ago
        [deleted]
      - epistasis 8mo ago
        I have what I stated in my comment. You are free to dismiss the experiences of whoever you want, of course, including Trump-friendly police chiefs, by dismissing them as "they must not like Trump and therefore lie." But that is quite a biased way to experience the world. Especially when Trump's own words about which immigrants he wants to get rid of. It's bias in service of a "fairness" that even the benefactor doesn't ask for. So why we exhibit such extreme bias in which evidence is admissable?
        newfriend 8mo ago
        So nothing. Just anecdotes. At least you admit it.
dboreham 8mo ago
It was always "criminals only", but the problem is they have quotas for the number of immigrants to deport, and can't (at all) get to those quotas by just deporting criminals.
- epistasis 8mo ago
  Well the clear implication is that the class of "criminal" has been expanded. It used to be that you had to be convicted of a crime by a jury to be a criminal, now it's just anybody that Trump dislikes. Execution without investigation has been normalized and accepted, and that's exactly the intent. Trump fears the people, but if it were slightly more popular there would be even more people hired by ICE and we would be seeing the consitutional abuses that happen today in Minnesota in far more places across the country.
- seneca 8mo ago
  > It was always "criminals only" This is absolutely false. It was always mass deportation of all illegal immigrants. The "worst of the worst" rhetoric is new. Here's a source, but there are many: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/trump-lays-out-agenda-including-mass-deportations-in-tv-interview https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/trump-lays-out-agen... > Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday, Trump reiterated his intention to deport every person who had entered the US without authorisation.
gzread 8mo ago
Which birthright?

jfengel 8mo ago

I'd have expected mass deportations to decrease the unemployment rate, since there are now a bunch of job openings. Some of those jobs will just disappear (resulting in job losses, which is what the headline is about), but unemployment (people looking for jobs and not finding them) is up. It does mean economic contraction, but that's yet another number. That would show up in GDP, but that number is really slow to collect. Data so far is actually pretty smooth, but that's to be expected.

gman2093 8mo ago
It also decreases the consumption rate. introduction of immigrant populations has not been shown to increase the unemployment rate, rather the opposite. https://www.epi.org/blog/immigrants-are-not-hurting-u-s-born-workers-six-facts-to-set-the-record-straight/ https://www.epi.org/blog/immigrants-are-not-hurting-u-s-born...
pavel_lishin 8mo ago
> I'd have expected mass deportations to decrease the unemployment rate, since there are now a bunch of job openings. Yes, for jobs that Americans don't typically want to do.