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It's important to mention the morals of the US which seem to have already rotten. Carpet bombing a country to "free" them. Let's not kid ourselves, this is all

It's important to mention the morals of the US which seem to have already rotten. Carpet bombing a country to "free" them. Let's not kid ourselves, this is all because of Israel.

ap99 7mo ago
From mine and plenty of others point view, US morals are on the rise. Go ask some Iranians (both in the US and in Iran) what they think about their leadership change. Same with Venezuelans.
- OKRainbowKid 7mo ago
  There's no inherent contradiction between rotten morals and high morale.
- surgical_fire 7mo ago
  Iranians must indeed be thrilled at having their capital bombed and civilian infrastructure in chaos. Tehran is not a mudhut backwater, it is an actual city of 15M+ people. As much they could possibly despise their current leadership, they will likely despise a lot more the country that is throwing bombs in their neighborhood. And rightly so.
  - lostmsu 7mo ago
    They might be, if the losses are really less than from killings of protestors. Hell, it's better to die for something than for nothing.
- UncleMeat 7mo ago
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hhh 7mo ago
The country is perfectly capable of having its own rotten morals, and outsourcing of all blame to Israel is just excusing the mistakes of American leadership.
- mapt 7mo ago
  If your friend plans on killing a hooker because he likes the idea of snuff porn, and you pitch in to kill her coworker and her boss so there are no witnesses and so your friend doesn't get hurt and because okay maybe you also enjoy snuff porn when you're in the right mood, then it's a joint venture and you share culpability. Trying to divy up fault (45% or 55%?) is kind of besides the point. Trying to decide who's ultimately responsible (0% or 100%?) is both besides the point and violates every ethical principle we have. Trump sent half of the US's fleet to the Persian Gulf to mount a war on Iran, in part to distract us from the Epstein Files, in part because he thinks he's a czar who we'll title "The Great" for his territorial expansion since the Nobel committee vetoed "The Merciful". Rubio said that we knew Israel was going to attack Iran, and we would have stepped in to defend Israel from the counterattack, so we decided to just attack Iran ourselves. Hegseth ("Deus Vult" Hegseth) and the general staff apparently are disseminating the view internally that "Trump was anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth", and they are His blessed instruments.
- fakedang 7mo ago
  > outsourcing of all blame to Israel is just excusing the mistakes of American leadership. Isn't it really the other way around? Israel is literally outsourcing its war and its war crimes to the US military (the strike on the girls' school was not Israeli but American). Sure, Israel is getting some bombardment, but the lion's share of retaliatory strikes are being borne by American allies, almost all of whom have now lost trust in the US, and are now being forced to buy stockpiles from the EU and even Ukraine because the Americans came unprepared. It's telling when the tightly controlled media in those countries lets billionaire magnates openly criticize their country's relationship with the US (not Israel), on national print.
- red-iron-pine 7mo ago
  if by "mistakes" you mean a concerted effort to capture all powerful people in the US by filming them fucking kids on an island, then yes. Epstein worked for the Mossad
embedding-shape 7mo ago
As any empire who eventually fell, the US too will fall because of hubris, thinking they're invincible solely because technology and a big population. Seemingly there is little support for the war, and surely once boots on the ground are deployed, and bodies start having to be flown home, the support will drop even more. Personally the question remained to be answered is if people will actually actively revolt once that starts happening? Given the last year, I'm not so sure about that yet.
collabs 7mo ago
We should demand answers from our own elected representatives. 》 All of these systems have been linked to dozens of illegal airstrikes, including on designated humanitarian sites, resulting in thousands of civilian casualties. None of these systems are necessary to protect Israel from incoming drone or rocket attacks. https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/prepared-remarks-sanders-speech-on-senate-vote-to-block-8-8-billion-sale-of-heavy-bombs-to-israel/ https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/prepared-remar...
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DLA 7mo ago
Nobody is carpet bombing. Baseless claim. And what is your association to speak about US MIL morale may ask?
- morkalork 7mo ago
  Just for clarification who's allowed, and who's not allowed, to have opinions on the morality of the US military? So far the list seems to exclude even American veterans.
- righthand 7mo ago
  Right not carpet bombing exactly but multiple days now of bombing a country that has never attacked us with their military. Every time the question is asked "why are we bombing them then" the answer is "just because" or "it's how war is fought" or "we had to kill one guy". So the relentless murder of innocents certainly feels like "carpet bombing".
  - DLA 7mo ago
    You are kidding right? "Right not carpet bombing exactly but multiple days now of bombing a country that has never attacked us with their military." Iran conducted thousands of attack against US and coalition forces in Iraq with IEDs made in Iran.
    - righthand 7mo ago
      Okay. You’re kidding right? Then you’re proving my point. Their military didn’t directly attack us. How many American made munitions did the US supply to Israel to attack Iran or Palestine or Lebanon or anywhere else Israel decided the Usa was going to attack next? The start of the war wasn’t started by IED’s supplied to Iraq from Iran during the Iraq war. You’re just moving the goal post to fit the criteria. The war started a several days ago when we bombed the country. And again as every person with a brain has been saying: if we’re attacking Iran based on indirect attacks, why haven’t we bombed and invaded China or Russia?
- lawn 7mo ago
somewhereoutth 7mo ago
It could also be because we don't want a theocratic regime with nuclear weapons and the delivery systems to put them on European capitals. It could also be that the whole region is simply tired of their bullshit, and would like to normalize their relations with Israel and generally get on with life without nonsense like Hamas and Hezbollah interfering. Note how Lebanon is seeing this as an opportunity to get rid of Hezbollah once and for all.
- surgical_fire 7mo ago
  > It could also be because we don't want a theocratic regime with nuclear weapons and the delivery systems to put them on European capitals. This is laughable. The current US administration would likely jizz their collective pants if Iran did a nuclear strike to a European capital. They can barely hide their hatred of EU and what it represents. No, fuck this noise. Iran is being bombed by the US and Israel for their own evil reasons. Europe has many failures, but this Iran bullshit is not on us. Go pin this in someone else.
kjksf 7mo ago
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- kelipso 7mo ago
  I sure hope we have the freedom to criticize a country conducting genocide and inciting WWIII, in an internet forum in the US of A. Seems like it’s banned in most other places in the US.
- cherry_tree 7mo ago
  Oh but please keep coming here to be a worthless racist who blames immigration for everything; you really make this site the shining beacon of hate and facist right wing ideology that people are proud of around here.
cardanome 7mo ago
Israel serves the interest of US imperialism. It is a project of Western imperialism that couldn't exist without its support. The war against Iran is deeply unpopular in the US so leaders try to blame Israel. They are playing on the anti-semitic tropes of certain groups secretly controlling the government. It is important to not fall into this narrative. If the US had told Israel that they wouldn't support them if they attacked Iran, this war wouldn't have happened. What we see is a continuation of US imperialism as it has always been. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya. There have never been any morals. The war against Iran serves the geostrategic interests of US imperialism. It is the only country that dared to oppose them, that dared to criticize the genocide in Palestine, that dares to ally with their rivals.
- jalapenoj 7mo ago
  There’s nothing secret about how AIPAC controls the US government.
  - eichler1 7mo ago
    If that is not a secret, where's your proof?
- eichler1 7mo ago
  All y'all's conspiracy theories about Israel are just tiresome, and of course, false. Israel has advanced to the point that it likely could exist, or soon will be able to exist, without support of the U.S. The U.S. military likely relies more on Israeli technology than the other way around, and certainly the U.S. military would get nowhere in the Middle East without the IDF's and Mossad's unparalleled military intelligence and planning. Remember that when Israel attacked Iran last year, the IDF was doing fine and taking out targets until that pendejo plastered with orange makeup in the tackily gilded White House, then still deluded with the idea of receiving a Nobel peace prize, screamed at Netanhayu to stop so he could drop a huge bomb and take credit in the gullible (or now captive) U.S. media that he "ended" the war. Also worth consideration is that the comment by the boozing, former TV host U.S. secretary "of war" that rules of engagement are "stupid" stands in stark contrast to the IDF's scrupulous use of rules of engagement and resort to teams of lawyers to guide its military activities. Remember that the IDF warns residents of buildings it targets and even sends them texts messages to get out before bombing the buildings. Who else does that? Also incredibly tiresome and patently false is that Israel committed "genocide" in Gaza -- no matter how many "activists" and misguided Western politicians scream that term. Hamas illegally entered Israel on 7 Oct 2023 and massacred more than a thousand Israeli citizens, and kidnapped hundred more, including babies and octogenarians, to be kept in fetid conditions and used as political pawns (or killed). Hamas even played politics with the bodies of Israelis they killed. Hamas raped and killed one young Israeli woman, then paraded her body around in the back of a technical (pickup) to the enthusiastic cheers of Gazans. For such acts of barbarism, Hamas had an approx. 55 to 60-percent approval rating from Gazans. Hamas purposely hid munitions in hospitals and schools then played the victim when those facilities were bombed. Hamas also forced people to stay in the buildings bombed by the IDF to run up their alleged death toll. This is how those depraved cowards play their game. Did you ever notice when the Western press dutifully announced the Gaza death toll, the source was the "Gaza Health Ministry"? In other words, Hamas -- which allows NO press freedom of any kind -- is free to make up the death toll that forms the basis for mindless screaming of "genocide." The irony is that Hamas is deftly playing Western liberals. Consider that Hamas's own charter explicitly calls for the death of all Jews -- genocide, anyone -- along with other non-Muslims (so Christians and nonbelievers are next). On the other hand, the 7 Oct 2023 Hamas massacre turned out to be the most catastrophic miscalculation in modern military history. Every senior officer from Hamas, Hezbollah, IRGC, Houthi and Iran (Khamenei) now is dead.
righthand 7mo ago
When the military spends 2 decades integrating Israel technology because we enabled people to be buying random technology to integrate as a method of building the military, then the result is that we've sold out the military arm to a terrorist nation, Israel. They are strong arming us into doing their bidding because our core systems now run off their servers.
moi2388 7mo ago
Oh please. Talk to actual Iranians. They are overjoyed somebody is doing something about the regime.
- orwin 7mo ago
  https://niacouncil.org/nationwide-poll-of-iranian-americans-shows-opposition-to-war-support-for-diplomacy/ https://niacouncil.org/nationwide-poll-of-iranian-americans-... I know, material reality sometimes go against idealist fantasy.
smitty1e 7mo ago
I would submit the judgement to the Iranian people and the surrounding countries under random attack from Iran.

It's important to mention the morals of the US which seem to have already rotten. Carpet bombing a country to "free" them. Let's not kid ourselves, this is all because of Israel.

ap99 7mo ago

From mine and plenty of others point view, US morals are on the rise. Go ask some Iranians (both in the US and in Iran) what they think about their leadership change. Same with Venezuelans.

OKRainbowKid 7mo ago
There's no inherent contradiction between rotten morals and high morale.
surgical_fire 7mo ago
Iranians must indeed be thrilled at having their capital bombed and civilian infrastructure in chaos. Tehran is not a mudhut backwater, it is an actual city of 15M+ people. As much they could possibly despise their current leadership, they will likely despise a lot more the country that is throwing bombs in their neighborhood. And rightly so.
- lostmsu 7mo ago
  They might be, if the losses are really less than from killings of protestors. Hell, it's better to die for something than for nothing.
UncleMeat 7mo ago
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hhh 7mo ago

The country is perfectly capable of having its own rotten morals, and outsourcing of all blame to Israel is just excusing the mistakes of American leadership.

mapt 7mo ago
If your friend plans on killing a hooker because he likes the idea of snuff porn, and you pitch in to kill her coworker and her boss so there are no witnesses and so your friend doesn't get hurt and because okay maybe you also enjoy snuff porn when you're in the right mood, then it's a joint venture and you share culpability. Trying to divy up fault (45% or 55%?) is kind of besides the point. Trying to decide who's ultimately responsible (0% or 100%?) is both besides the point and violates every ethical principle we have. Trump sent half of the US's fleet to the Persian Gulf to mount a war on Iran, in part to distract us from the Epstein Files, in part because he thinks he's a czar who we'll title "The Great" for his territorial expansion since the Nobel committee vetoed "The Merciful". Rubio said that we knew Israel was going to attack Iran, and we would have stepped in to defend Israel from the counterattack, so we decided to just attack Iran ourselves. Hegseth ("Deus Vult" Hegseth) and the general staff apparently are disseminating the view internally that "Trump was anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth", and they are His blessed instruments.
fakedang 7mo ago
> outsourcing of all blame to Israel is just excusing the mistakes of American leadership. Isn't it really the other way around? Israel is literally outsourcing its war and its war crimes to the US military (the strike on the girls' school was not Israeli but American). Sure, Israel is getting some bombardment, but the lion's share of retaliatory strikes are being borne by American allies, almost all of whom have now lost trust in the US, and are now being forced to buy stockpiles from the EU and even Ukraine because the Americans came unprepared. It's telling when the tightly controlled media in those countries lets billionaire magnates openly criticize their country's relationship with the US (not Israel), on national print.
red-iron-pine 7mo ago
if by "mistakes" you mean a concerted effort to capture all powerful people in the US by filming them fucking kids on an island, then yes. Epstein worked for the Mossad

embedding-shape 7mo ago

As any empire who eventually fell, the US too will fall because of hubris, thinking they're invincible solely because technology and a big population. Seemingly there is little support for the war, and surely once boots on the ground are deployed, and bodies start having to be flown home, the support will drop even more. Personally the question remained to be answered is if people will actually actively revolt once that starts happening? Given the last year, I'm not so sure about that yet.

collabs 7mo ago

We should demand answers from our own elected representatives. 》 All of these systems have been linked to dozens of illegal airstrikes, including on designated humanitarian sites, resulting in thousands of civilian casualties. None of these systems are necessary to protect Israel from incoming drone or rocket attacks. https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/prepared-remarks-sanders-speech-on-senate-vote-to-block-8-8-billion-sale-of-heavy-bombs-to-israel/ https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/prepared-remar...

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DLA 7mo ago

Nobody is carpet bombing. Baseless claim. And what is your association to speak about US MIL morale may ask?

morkalork 7mo ago
Just for clarification who's allowed, and who's not allowed, to have opinions on the morality of the US military? So far the list seems to exclude even American veterans.
righthand 7mo ago
Right not carpet bombing exactly but multiple days now of bombing a country that has never attacked us with their military. Every time the question is asked "why are we bombing them then" the answer is "just because" or "it's how war is fought" or "we had to kill one guy". So the relentless murder of innocents certainly feels like "carpet bombing".
- DLA 7mo ago
  You are kidding right? "Right not carpet bombing exactly but multiple days now of bombing a country that has never attacked us with their military." Iran conducted thousands of attack against US and coalition forces in Iraq with IEDs made in Iran.
  - righthand 7mo ago
    Okay. You’re kidding right? Then you’re proving my point. Their military didn’t directly attack us. How many American made munitions did the US supply to Israel to attack Iran or Palestine or Lebanon or anywhere else Israel decided the Usa was going to attack next? The start of the war wasn’t started by IED’s supplied to Iraq from Iran during the Iraq war. You’re just moving the goal post to fit the criteria. The war started a several days ago when we bombed the country. And again as every person with a brain has been saying: if we’re attacking Iran based on indirect attacks, why haven’t we bombed and invaded China or Russia?
lawn 7mo ago

somewhereoutth 7mo ago

It could also be because we don't want a theocratic regime with nuclear weapons and the delivery systems to put them on European capitals. It could also be that the whole region is simply tired of their bullshit, and would like to normalize their relations with Israel and generally get on with life without nonsense like Hamas and Hezbollah interfering. Note how Lebanon is seeing this as an opportunity to get rid of Hezbollah once and for all.

surgical_fire 7mo ago
> It could also be because we don't want a theocratic regime with nuclear weapons and the delivery systems to put them on European capitals. This is laughable. The current US administration would likely jizz their collective pants if Iran did a nuclear strike to a European capital. They can barely hide their hatred of EU and what it represents. No, fuck this noise. Iran is being bombed by the US and Israel for their own evil reasons. Europe has many failures, but this Iran bullshit is not on us. Go pin this in someone else.

kjksf 7mo ago

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kelipso 7mo ago
I sure hope we have the freedom to criticize a country conducting genocide and inciting WWIII, in an internet forum in the US of A. Seems like it’s banned in most other places in the US.
cherry_tree 7mo ago
Oh but please keep coming here to be a worthless racist who blames immigration for everything; you really make this site the shining beacon of hate and facist right wing ideology that people are proud of around here.

cardanome 7mo ago

Israel serves the interest of US imperialism. It is a project of Western imperialism that couldn't exist without its support. The war against Iran is deeply unpopular in the US so leaders try to blame Israel. They are playing on the anti-semitic tropes of certain groups secretly controlling the government. It is important to not fall into this narrative. If the US had told Israel that they wouldn't support them if they attacked Iran, this war wouldn't have happened. What we see is a continuation of US imperialism as it has always been. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya. There have never been any morals. The war against Iran serves the geostrategic interests of US imperialism. It is the only country that dared to oppose them, that dared to criticize the genocide in Palestine, that dares to ally with their rivals.

jalapenoj 7mo ago
There’s nothing secret about how AIPAC controls the US government.
- eichler1 7mo ago
  If that is not a secret, where's your proof?
eichler1 7mo ago
All y'all's conspiracy theories about Israel are just tiresome, and of course, false. Israel has advanced to the point that it likely could exist, or soon will be able to exist, without support of the U.S. The U.S. military likely relies more on Israeli technology than the other way around, and certainly the U.S. military would get nowhere in the Middle East without the IDF's and Mossad's unparalleled military intelligence and planning. Remember that when Israel attacked Iran last year, the IDF was doing fine and taking out targets until that pendejo plastered with orange makeup in the tackily gilded White House, then still deluded with the idea of receiving a Nobel peace prize, screamed at Netanhayu to stop so he could drop a huge bomb and take credit in the gullible (or now captive) U.S. media that he "ended" the war. Also worth consideration is that the comment by the boozing, former TV host U.S. secretary "of war" that rules of engagement are "stupid" stands in stark contrast to the IDF's scrupulous use of rules of engagement and resort to teams of lawyers to guide its military activities. Remember that the IDF warns residents of buildings it targets and even sends them texts messages to get out before bombing the buildings. Who else does that? Also incredibly tiresome and patently false is that Israel committed "genocide" in Gaza -- no matter how many "activists" and misguided Western politicians scream that term. Hamas illegally entered Israel on 7 Oct 2023 and massacred more than a thousand Israeli citizens, and kidnapped hundred more, including babies and octogenarians, to be kept in fetid conditions and used as political pawns (or killed). Hamas even played politics with the bodies of Israelis they killed. Hamas raped and killed one young Israeli woman, then paraded her body around in the back of a technical (pickup) to the enthusiastic cheers of Gazans. For such acts of barbarism, Hamas had an approx. 55 to 60-percent approval rating from Gazans. Hamas purposely hid munitions in hospitals and schools then played the victim when those facilities were bombed. Hamas also forced people to stay in the buildings bombed by the IDF to run up their alleged death toll. This is how those depraved cowards play their game. Did you ever notice when the Western press dutifully announced the Gaza death toll, the source was the "Gaza Health Ministry"? In other words, Hamas -- which allows NO press freedom of any kind -- is free to make up the death toll that forms the basis for mindless screaming of "genocide." The irony is that Hamas is deftly playing Western liberals. Consider that Hamas's own charter explicitly calls for the death of all Jews -- genocide, anyone -- along with other non-Muslims (so Christians and nonbelievers are next). On the other hand, the 7 Oct 2023 Hamas massacre turned out to be the most catastrophic miscalculation in modern military history. Every senior officer from Hamas, Hezbollah, IRGC, Houthi and Iran (Khamenei) now is dead.

righthand 7mo ago

When the military spends 2 decades integrating Israel technology because we enabled people to be buying random technology to integrate as a method of building the military, then the result is that we've sold out the military arm to a terrorist nation, Israel. They are strong arming us into doing their bidding because our core systems now run off their servers.

moi2388 7mo ago

Oh please. Talk to actual Iranians. They are overjoyed somebody is doing something about the regime.

orwin 7mo ago
https://niacouncil.org/nationwide-poll-of-iranian-americans-shows-opposition-to-war-support-for-diplomacy/ https://niacouncil.org/nationwide-poll-of-iranian-americans-... I know, material reality sometimes go against idealist fantasy.

smitty1e 7mo ago

I would submit the judgement to the Iranian people and the surrounding countries under random attack from Iran.