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“While the pouches are considered a tobacco product, they don’t contain any tobacco, and are instead made from the plant fiber cellulose” It’s just Zyn, which
by jdross 7mo ago
“While the pouches are considered a tobacco product, they don’t contain any tobacco, and are instead made from the plant fiber cellulose”
It’s just Zyn, which doesn’t seem that dramatically different than coffee. But maybe that’s because I don’t drink coffee or use nicotine
- cush 7mo agoCoffee doesn’t give you mouth cancer
- stackedinserter 7mo agoDo nicotine pouches give you mouth cancer?
- giancarlostoro 7mo agoI don't think zyn has been studied enough to be conclusive, but it does have some negative effects similar to dip I suppose? Dip on the other hand is described as using something like 'fiberglass' that cuts your mouth so your gums can absorb the nicotine quicker, of course the tobacco industry denies this. I've only tried dip once, and it was like a kick to the face. I'll stick to casual cigar smoking (its been 4 years though!).
- chasebank 7mo agoDoes nicotine?
- bilekas 7mo agoNo, //cancer stems from the carcinogens in the burning / heating of tobacco//. Nicotine is not cancerous in itself any more than caffeine. I'm not a doctor though so while I might sound sure it's based on what I've read on the topic over the many years. Edit : rightly corrected its not just heating and burning, its tobacco and others in general. But nicotine itself is not cancerous.
- zardo 7mo agoChewing tobacco causes cancer
- chneu 7mo agoBut not because of the nicotine.
- steve_adams_86 7mo agoCancer also stems from non-heated tobacco because the plant itself contains carcinogens that are pressed into the skin in the mouth for example, often including lesions and such
- temp0826 7mo agoCancer no, but nicotine is implicated in heart disease and other cardiovascular issues.
- steve_adams_86 7mo agoIs that because it's a stimulant, or is there some other known mechanism? It seems like most (maybe all) stimulants I've read about are correlated with cardiovascular issues.
- D-Machine 7mo agoI think one theory is that nicotine is a vasoconstrictor. Though whether, in its pure form, it is a particularly significant one, i.e. any worse than caffeine, is really not so clear.
- SpicyLemonZest 7mo agoThese kind of synthetic nicotine products aren't carcinogenic. They were originally developed as a safer replacement for the traditional Swedish practice of stuffing a bag of tobacco in your mouth, although after acquisition by Phillip Morris they've become common among people who never used tobacco in the first place. (As the article gestures towards, they are "tobacco products" under US law because of their nicotine content, even though they contain no tobacco leaf.)
- stringfood 7mo agothey are horrendously addicting though which is the huge difference between nicotine and caffeine. Even though I love caffeine I can go days without it no problem (besides being slightly more tired). Habitual nicotine users tend to need to re-up every hour or so
- y-curious 7mo agoI quit zyns a year ago and still crave them daily. Sooooo good and addictive and they don’t have that “it’s killing you” imperative to quit like cigarettes do
- D-Machine 7mo agoI'm not sure it is actually all that clear that pure nicotine products really are so addictive as people believe. E.g. most studies claiming such addictiveness may simply be because those that get addicted to patches / gum were already addicted to cigarettes (or other classic tobacco product) prior. See e.g. Gwern's notes on the topic. https://gwern.net/nicotine#habit-formation https://gwern.net/nicotine#habit-formation https://gwern.net/nicotine#dependence https://gwern.net/nicotine#dependence
- SpicyLemonZest 7mo agoBoth of these links go to self-reported data about how addicted people feel themselves to be, which I don't think is credible at all. It's very common for addicts to falsely believe that they're not addicted and could quit whenever they want.
- steve_adams_86 7mo agoAccording to several reputable sources (cancer societies around the world), it isn't known if this is a risk yet. What are you being this on? I'm not encouraging anyone to use these things, but we should only make claims that are based on evidence.
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- jmye 7mo agoGiven the long-term, widespread usage of coffee, is there something specific they're waiting on? Or is that an "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" thing? Your final statement doesn't really add value without knowing that, unless you agree that we shouldn't assume other people are actually people, and not lizards in people suits until they prove, definitively, otherwise.
- steve_adams_86 7mo agoMy mistake. I interpreted their comment to be implying that nicotine pouches do. I'm not referring to evidence for the safety of coffee, but of nicotine pouches.
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- Georgelemental 7mo agoNicotine is addictive, much more so than coffee
- stringfood 7mo agoit's like 25x more addicting than coffee, not sure how OP misses that
- D-Machine 7mo agoProbably not the case for some modern pure nicotine products (gum, patches). Vaping is harder to say due to lack of data and clear cases of addiction in young people, but pure nicotine is definitely a different animal than the classical delivery forms. See my response to GP.
- vladvasiliu 7mo agoI wonder if the issue with vapes isn't the sweeteners they put in them. I sometimes vape a specific liquid, which has never given me any cravings. I'll just stop after my bottle is done for multiple months until I remember to buy some more. I never carry my vape with me when I leave home (not to the office, not for multi-week holidays, nothing). It's not difficult to go without, I don't even think about it when I don't have it. But the other day I ended up vaping some melon-flavored liquid. When it was empty, I was going crazy for a few hours, I absolutely had to have more. And it didn't even have more nicotine than what I usually vape. It was just the sweet taste that had me wanting more, exactly like back in my college days when I was eating Snickers bars like no tomorrow. Now that was a habit that was tough to break. And most people I see vaping out in the street seem to be vaping those ultra-sweet smelling liquids.
- D-Machine 7mo agoAn interesting thought, I myself have met at least a couple people that tried to break an addiction by switching to vape products that were essentially just flavour (no nicotine, no THC; THC vapes are common and legal in Canada) and somehow stayed just as addicted to the flavour / oral stimulation. So that sounds at least plausible to me.