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> My hunch is there are not many who want to suffocate while trying to exist for shareholder value. Have you... read the news lately? You say it's not a matter

by lapcat 8mo ago

> My hunch is there are not many who want to suffocate while trying to exist for shareholder value. Have you... read the news lately? You say it's not a matter of politics, but the politicians are absolutely trying to roll back the clock, push dirty tech, eliminate all environmental protections and regulations.

embedding-shape 8mo ago
> but the politicians are absolutely trying to roll back the clock, push dirty tech, eliminate all environmental protections and regulations Yes, in one country who seems hellbent on destroying itself. But looking globally, more and more countries seems to get it at this point, and at least move in the right direction, compared to others. The others will make themselves irrelevant faster than the others can reach a future without fossil fuels.
- lapcat 8mo ago
  > Yes, in one country who seems hellbent on destroying itself. One of the largest countries in the world, measured by size, population, economy, and military. If you hadn't noticed, the US can do a lot of damage to the rest of the world all by itself. And pollution does not respect borders. Global warming does not respect borders.
  - embedding-shape 8mo ago
    Right, but again, it'll matter less and less as the US hegemony is dying and other countries will pick up the torch, and the ones who are taking over seem to be a bit more willing to both commit and execute on plans to reduce pollution and global warming in general.
    - lapcat 8mo ago
      > the US hegemony is dying The US just deposed the leaders of two countries, Venezuela and Iran, but ok.
      - embedding-shape 8mo ago
        > The US just deposed the leaders of two countries, Venezuela and Iran, but ok. If that's how you judge what "empires" will be left in a decade, good for you, ignorance is a bliss sometimes I suppose. Don't look at how the average person live and survives, if you want to continue that way...
        lapcat 8mo ago
        > If that's how you judge what "empires" will be left in a decade, good for you I don't make such predictions. I'm not Nostradamus, and neither are you. I don't think anyone can predict what will happen exactly in a decade. After all, who predicted this a decade ago? > ignorance is a bliss This insult doesn't even make sense. I'm not experiencing bliss over the situation.
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tw04 8mo ago
You do us all a disservice by saying “the politicians”. The REPUBLICANS are attempting to ignore reality and burn more fossil fuels. Nobody else in America. Name the problem, otherwise you’re implying it’s a bipartisan effort.
- lapcat 8mo ago
  Obama takes credit for U.S. oil-and-gas boom: ‘That was me, people’ https://apnews.com/article/business-5dfbc1aa17701ae219239caad0bfefb2 https://apnews.com/article/business-5dfbc1aa17701ae219239caa... You have to be born yesterday to believe that Democratic leaders haven't merely hand-waved and virtue-signaled about global warming for decades. I realized this back in the 1990s. Democrats have superior rhetoric, and they are less openly hostile, but their long record of doing nothing to help is unsurpassed. They will fiddle while Republicans burn Rome. And don't forget that Joe Manchin for example was a Democrat, one who dominated Democratic policy during the Biden administration.
  - M3L0NM4N 8mo ago
    We need to push for clean tech obviously. I disagree with Republicans blocking wind farm construction and rolling back regulations, but American energy independence is important for national security, which is a shorter term issue than climate change. And developing more domestic clean energy helps with that as well.
  - HoldOnAMinute 8mo ago
    Exactly. As a Democrat my eyes were opened when I saw the senior leadership do absolutely nothing to impede Trump other than form a strongly worded tweet.
  - knowaveragejoe 8mo ago
    You do the people causing this problem a great service with false equivocations like this. It is clear one group would prefer us to ignore the problem and do nothing at all - in fact encourage the problematic behavior - and the other would very much like to take action on the issue if they had the political power.

by lapcat 8mo ago

embedding-shape 8mo ago

> but the politicians are absolutely trying to roll back the clock, push dirty tech, eliminate all environmental protections and regulations Yes, in one country who seems hellbent on destroying itself. But looking globally, more and more countries seems to get it at this point, and at least move in the right direction, compared to others. The others will make themselves irrelevant faster than the others can reach a future without fossil fuels.

lapcat 8mo ago
> Yes, in one country who seems hellbent on destroying itself. One of the largest countries in the world, measured by size, population, economy, and military. If you hadn't noticed, the US can do a lot of damage to the rest of the world all by itself. And pollution does not respect borders. Global warming does not respect borders.
- embedding-shape 8mo ago
  Right, but again, it'll matter less and less as the US hegemony is dying and other countries will pick up the torch, and the ones who are taking over seem to be a bit more willing to both commit and execute on plans to reduce pollution and global warming in general.
  - lapcat 8mo ago
    > the US hegemony is dying The US just deposed the leaders of two countries, Venezuela and Iran, but ok.
    - embedding-shape 8mo ago
      > The US just deposed the leaders of two countries, Venezuela and Iran, but ok. If that's how you judge what "empires" will be left in a decade, good for you, ignorance is a bliss sometimes I suppose. Don't look at how the average person live and survives, if you want to continue that way...
      - lapcat 8mo ago
        > If that's how you judge what "empires" will be left in a decade, good for you I don't make such predictions. I'm not Nostradamus, and neither are you. I don't think anyone can predict what will happen exactly in a decade. After all, who predicted this a decade ago? > ignorance is a bliss This insult doesn't even make sense. I'm not experiencing bliss over the situation.

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tw04 8mo ago

You do us all a disservice by saying “the politicians”. The REPUBLICANS are attempting to ignore reality and burn more fossil fuels. Nobody else in America. Name the problem, otherwise you’re implying it’s a bipartisan effort.

lapcat 8mo ago
Obama takes credit for U.S. oil-and-gas boom: ‘That was me, people’ https://apnews.com/article/business-5dfbc1aa17701ae219239caad0bfefb2 https://apnews.com/article/business-5dfbc1aa17701ae219239caa... You have to be born yesterday to believe that Democratic leaders haven't merely hand-waved and virtue-signaled about global warming for decades. I realized this back in the 1990s. Democrats have superior rhetoric, and they are less openly hostile, but their long record of doing nothing to help is unsurpassed. They will fiddle while Republicans burn Rome. And don't forget that Joe Manchin for example was a Democrat, one who dominated Democratic policy during the Biden administration.
- M3L0NM4N 8mo ago
  We need to push for clean tech obviously. I disagree with Republicans blocking wind farm construction and rolling back regulations, but American energy independence is important for national security, which is a shorter term issue than climate change. And developing more domestic clean energy helps with that as well.
- HoldOnAMinute 8mo ago
  Exactly. As a Democrat my eyes were opened when I saw the senior leadership do absolutely nothing to impede Trump other than form a strongly worded tweet.
- knowaveragejoe 8mo ago
  You do the people causing this problem a great service with false equivocations like this. It is clear one group would prefer us to ignore the problem and do nothing at all - in fact encourage the problematic behavior - and the other would very much like to take action on the issue if they had the political power.