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> This makes them AMD’s first desktop chips to qualify for Microsoft’s Copilot+ PC label, which enables a handful of unique Windows 11 features like Recall and
by bilekas 8mo ago
> This makes them AMD’s first desktop chips to qualify for Microsoft’s Copilot+ PC label, which enables a handful of unique Windows 11 features like Recall and Click to Do.
This is not the selling point they think it is.
The problem I see with the AM5 socket is simply the fact that DD5 RAM to support it is just too expensive. So this will not really make the big impact they were hopin for.
- davidmurdoch 8mo agoI have a hard time believing ANYONE thinks this is a selling point. Literally anyone, including marketing and execs at Microsoft. I think they have just sunk too much money in it to quit, so they keep doubling down.
- downrightmike 8mo agoJust like the previous generation of AI PC, consumers just need a usb/pcie NPU, Mass adoption won't happen until we get those cheap, because there are no mass prosumers making software for them that is massively popular.
- u8080 8mo agoNo, AI inference is mainly RAM/RAM speed constrained, we need more fast RAM to make local AI thrive.
- downrightmike 8mo agoLol. Thanks to someone buying all the ram platters, before they became modules, that won't happen.
- mikepurvis 8mo agoUpgrading to AM5 wasn't compelling to me even last summer before things went bonkers; I'm still very content with my 5800x and 64GB of DDR4. Trying to take the plunge on that now sounds like a nightmare.
- hu3 8mo agoI got lucky on the timing and got 9800X3D + 64GB DDR5 before prices increased. Your machine is sweet and probably runs just as fast on most tasks. I wouldn't be in n a hurry to upgrade. I upgraded from an old Intel i7.
- mikepurvis 8mo agoFor sure. Nothing I do is constrained by CPU on the productivity side, so I took the upgrade cash and got a 9070xt instead; I don't play a ton of games, but ARC Raiders does look fantastic on a 1440p ultrawide.
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- giantg2 8mo ago"The problem I see with the AM5 socket is simply the fact that DD5 RAM to support it is just too expensive." DDR4 is basically just as expensive. At least DDR5 gives on-chip error correction (not as good as full ECC). For a geneal computer, there's not that much difference between AM4 and AM5 unless you really want the extra speed of DDR5, PCI 5, and the newest processors. You can build a very capable AM4 machine for slightly less money, but that savings is found on the CPU and motherboard, not on the RAM.
- deltoidmaximus 8mo agoDDR4 looks to be around half the price of DDR5 on the used market to me. I wouldn't call that slightly less money unless you weren't planning to install much RAM.
- giantg2 8mo agoOn the new market, they are really close. Most consumers are buying new. If we want to get pedantic, we can compare buying used systems on Facebook marketplace to cannibalize the parts and resell the others to see net cost.
- threetonesun 8mo agoI don't think most people building AM4 systems currently are buying new, or at least not everything new, simply because depending on what you're looking for there might not even be any new parts.
- mahirsaid 8mo agoAgree, i just built a desktop for the first time in ages, it is a leap and change from using laptops with numerous components pplugged into them. i made the leap to desktop. everything was comparably reasonable except the RAM or anything that has memory chip on it ( RAM, NVME etc) so i did some research just to make sure. All in all i happy with the result i went with AMD 9900x no graphics card in this option, i skipped the graphics card for now.
- SunshineTheCat 8mo agoNow all the features you don't use can perform 20% faster!
- giancarlostoro 8mo agoIf I can use it with Linux in any meaningful way, that would be a better selling point.
- jakogut 8mo agoYou in fact can now! In the past week, a transformer framework called FastFlowLM [0] supporting XDNA 2 NPUs officially started supporting Linux. I posted it here the same day I found and started using it, to almost no reaction. [0] https://github.com/FastFlowLM https://github.com/FastFlowLM https://fastflowlm.com/ https://fastflowlm.com/ https://huggingface.co/FastFlowLM https://huggingface.co/FastFlowLM
- vyr 8mo agobecause it's not faster than the Ryzen 395's GPU. power efficiency doesn't matter as much as TTFT for desktop users, especially when they're tasking their AMD box as a dedicated inference machine. some older pre-395 AMD articles suggested it'd be possible to use the NPU for prefill and the GPU for decoding and this would be faster than using either alone, but we have yet to see that (even on Windows) for any usefully sized models, just toys like LLaMA-8B.
- giancarlostoro 8mo ago> to almost no reaction. HN is overloaded with AI stuff, its hard to break through all the noise. I say this as someone very interested in AI. Even I skip some links because its just too much.
- wing-_-nuts 8mo agoI see it making claims about 10x efficiency, but how is tokens / second / watt? The only machines I've seen with the memory bandwidth to effectively do local inference are Mx arm chips on mac.
- jmward01 8mo agoTo really take advantage of those gpu cores you need memory bandwidth. Modern transformer based LLMs are really bandwidth hungry. I am really happy to see this first push. NVIDIA having discrete GPU/memory/etc is an option, but not great for a lot of different reasons. Unified memory architectures like what AMD and Apple have are the way to go for the future. Put 256GB of ram on the main board and be able to access it at speed for LLM use please.
- robotnikman 8mo ago>Local NPU The main thing I've noticed with local NPU's is very few applications take advantage of it, and IIRC it's because documentation for them is lacking and there are quite a few different kinds out there, each with different API's, libraries, etc.
- benterix 8mo ago>> This makes them AMD’s first desktop chips to qualify for Microsoft’s Copilot+ PC label, which enables a handful of unique Windows 11 features like Recall and Click to Do. > This is not the selling point they think it is. I'd even say it's an anti-point and if I were them I'd just hide that or, if they are obliged for some reason, but it in small print so that people don't notice.
- nticompass 8mo agoA selling point for me would be a CPU that DOESN'T qualify for "Copilot+".