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"Papers, please." comes to the US of A.

nomel 8mo ago
Every administration since the foundation of ICE has removed illegal immigrants and funded ICE and immigration policy/border operations [1]. [1] Removals by president: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-re...
- fragmede 8mo ago
  Yes, but the difference in degree, and how are material. The big showy Hyundai plant raid is an example of something that hasn't happened before. Under Obama there were I-9 audits of Infosys, and under Clinton there was a raid of a Filiberto's, but both of those weren't of foreign workers here to train Americans.
- the_gipsy 8mo ago
  Yes what's happening is totally normal, everybody does it all the time.
- littlestymaar 8mo ago
  Every developed country on earth has an immigration policy and an administration dedicated to enforcing it. No other developed countries have masked goons abducting people in public wearing civil clothes and masks and disregarding every laws of the country (violating private property and foreign embassies, deporting national citizens, and numerous other preposterous bullshit). Immigration policy enforcement is normal, the madness that has been running in the US for a year isn't.
gunsle 8mo ago
You have to show ID to pick up a prescription or open a bank account. You have to show ID for routine traffic stops. This is such a juvenile, tired argument.
- baby_souffle 8mo ago
  “You show ID at the bank” is a classic, juvenile and tired argument because it swaps in a voluntary transaction for state coercion. The concern isn’t IDs exist—it’s who’s demanding them, in what context, and what happens if you can’t comply on the spot.
  - jiggawatts 8mo ago
    Not to mention that the USA has a long history of looking down their nose at the USSR for doing exactly what the USA is doing now. I forgot that HN is mostly filled with a younger generation that might not get the reference. The "Papers, please." quote is a common trope in spy movies, books, etc... about the former Soviet Union.
- binarycrusader 8mo ago
  You absolutely do not have to show ID to pick up every prescription; just some, which is also dependent on state law, federal law, and pharmacy. But also, I don't care if it's a tired argument--this isn't about how things are, it's about how we want them to be. I don't want to live in a state action-coerced society.
  - z3t4 8mo ago
    In Sweden you have to use your Bank ID to take the buss. Meaning the bank has the same security as entering the bus. If you get robbed in Sweden they take your bank ID, use it to take a loan and then transfers all your money to a foreign bank. Because we got rid of manual cash.
    - brorfred 8mo ago
      Can you expand on this? SL accepts any credit card for purchasing single tickets and I assume you can buy an SL card using cash in for example Seven Eleven? Also, the issue with bank ID when you are robbed is identical to any bank app anywhere, isn't it?
- 8mo ago
coredog64 8mo ago
"Papers, please" is not just ID, but also authorization to travel internally. The idea that asking for ID* is anywhere equivalent is asinine. *Reminder that folks visiting the US on a visa are legally required by the terms of said visa to always carry upon their person at least a copy of identity papers backing up that visa, and that this law has been in place for a very long time.

nomel 8mo ago

Every administration since the foundation of ICE has removed illegal immigrants and funded ICE and immigration policy/border operations [1]. [1] Removals by president: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-re...

fragmede 8mo ago
Yes, but the difference in degree, and how are material. The big showy Hyundai plant raid is an example of something that hasn't happened before. Under Obama there were I-9 audits of Infosys, and under Clinton there was a raid of a Filiberto's, but both of those weren't of foreign workers here to train Americans.
the_gipsy 8mo ago
Yes what's happening is totally normal, everybody does it all the time.
littlestymaar 8mo ago
Every developed country on earth has an immigration policy and an administration dedicated to enforcing it. No other developed countries have masked goons abducting people in public wearing civil clothes and masks and disregarding every laws of the country (violating private property and foreign embassies, deporting national citizens, and numerous other preposterous bullshit). Immigration policy enforcement is normal, the madness that has been running in the US for a year isn't.

gunsle 8mo ago

You have to show ID to pick up a prescription or open a bank account. You have to show ID for routine traffic stops. This is such a juvenile, tired argument.

baby_souffle 8mo ago
“You show ID at the bank” is a classic, juvenile and tired argument because it swaps in a voluntary transaction for state coercion. The concern isn’t IDs exist—it’s who’s demanding them, in what context, and what happens if you can’t comply on the spot.
- jiggawatts 8mo ago
  Not to mention that the USA has a long history of looking down their nose at the USSR for doing exactly what the USA is doing now. I forgot that HN is mostly filled with a younger generation that might not get the reference. The "Papers, please." quote is a common trope in spy movies, books, etc... about the former Soviet Union.
binarycrusader 8mo ago
You absolutely do not have to show ID to pick up every prescription; just some, which is also dependent on state law, federal law, and pharmacy. But also, I don't care if it's a tired argument--this isn't about how things are, it's about how we want them to be. I don't want to live in a state action-coerced society.
- z3t4 8mo ago
  In Sweden you have to use your Bank ID to take the buss. Meaning the bank has the same security as entering the bus. If you get robbed in Sweden they take your bank ID, use it to take a loan and then transfers all your money to a foreign bank. Because we got rid of manual cash.
  - brorfred 8mo ago
    Can you expand on this? SL accepts any credit card for purchasing single tickets and I assume you can buy an SL card using cash in for example Seven Eleven? Also, the issue with bank ID when you are robbed is identical to any bank app anywhere, isn't it?
8mo ago

coredog64 8mo ago

"Papers, please" is not just ID, but also authorization to travel internally. The idea that asking for ID* is anywhere equivalent is asinine. *Reminder that folks visiting the US on a visa are legally required by the terms of said visa to always carry upon their person at least a copy of identity papers backing up that visa, and that this law has been in place for a very long time.