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all apple needs, to kill surface laptops entirely, is to enable windows to run on m series laptops without issues. I don't know why the downvotes, maybe someon

by rk06 7mo ago

all apple needs, to kill surface laptops entirely, is to enable windows to run on m series laptops without issues. I don't know why the downvotes, maybe someone can chime in if there is more to surface laptop? because i am using one laptop, and much prefer to use windows on M4 macbook pro instead.

TingPing 7mo ago
I assume you’re downvoted because Microsoft has to want that.
raverbashing 7mo ago
Who cares about Windows anymore? Kids are happy with iOS/Android devices Google docs solves 90% of Office use cases
- rk06 7mo ago
  many people do. i work for Microsoft and don't have option to use mac os
  - raverbashing 7mo ago
    Well, last I checked most people don't work for MS so I reckon their experience might be a bit different
- NetMageSCW 7mo ago
  Google Docs might handle 50% of people who use Office, but I doubt if it handles 25% of Office use cases. Few use every feature of Office but someone uses every feature of Office and all those power user cases that are different can’t be handled by Google Docs. Or even Web Office.
rbanffy 7mo ago
I’m not sure that many people want Windows badly enough they would get an Apple device and remove the original OS so they could run Windows. From my personal experience, Widows users in general don’t mind Windows, but, definitely, nobody I have ever met finds it more desirable than macOS.
- fidotron 7mo ago
  The games industry remains a hotbed of people that vehemently hate Apple, even those that have never touched a Mac. Part of it historically was a sort of Visual Studio induced Stockholm Syndrome, where for a long time if you were doing C++ work that was the only sane way to go. There are some companies that even filter potential employees on this basis.
  - dartharva 7mo ago
    Apple leaves gamers alone, it does not even attempt to be a nontrivial gaming platform and makes no promises. Why would gamers and gamedevs hate it? It just doesn't exist in their market.
    - xyzsparetimexyz 7mo ago
      Its a computer. People are gonna try and play computer games on it.
      - rbanffy 7mo ago
        Was Sony making their MIPS workstations when they introduced their MIPS-based PlayStation? Sounds like a nice distinction between work and play. ;-)
        fidotron 7mo ago
        Curiously the Sega game Columns was licensed from the HP UX original.
    - fidotron 7mo ago
      From the noises that occur whenever you force a Windows loving gamedev to use a Mac the first major "problem" is mouse acceleration.
  - iknowstuff 7mo ago
    Which companies?
alwillis 7mo ago
I believe you’re being downvoted because your logic is from 20+ years ago when Windows compatibility was important. Also the era when companies were trying to “kill” each other’s devices is no longer a thing. They all get the reality it’s a multi device world and they need to work within it.
akdev1l 7mo ago
wine already runs on Mac so really they would just need something like dxvk to have a package similar to proton To be honest if Apple wanted to they could work with valve to make gaming on Mac a reality To some degree it should already be possible with wine + dxvk + moltenvk
wao0uuno 7mo ago
Oh man I'd pay premium for a sleek device like this that CAN'T run Windows or Mac OS. Just a mere thought of being able to run pure Linux on that sweet sweet apple silicon with full driver support makes my juices flowing.
- NetMageSCW 7mo ago
  There will never be an Apple Silicon device without the ability to run an Apple OS. Just run MacOS.
  - wao0uuno 7mo ago
    I know and I'd rather just stop using modern tech than willingly go back to Apple or Microsoft software.
- alwillis 7mo ago
  FYI: Apple added support for Linux containers to macOS Tahoe [1]. [1]: https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container

by rk06 7mo ago

TingPing 7mo ago

I assume you’re downvoted because Microsoft has to want that.

raverbashing 7mo ago

Who cares about Windows anymore? Kids are happy with iOS/Android devices Google docs solves 90% of Office use cases

rk06 7mo ago
many people do. i work for Microsoft and don't have option to use mac os
- raverbashing 7mo ago
  Well, last I checked most people don't work for MS so I reckon their experience might be a bit different
NetMageSCW 7mo ago
Google Docs might handle 50% of people who use Office, but I doubt if it handles 25% of Office use cases. Few use every feature of Office but someone uses every feature of Office and all those power user cases that are different can’t be handled by Google Docs. Or even Web Office.

rbanffy 7mo ago

I’m not sure that many people want Windows badly enough they would get an Apple device and remove the original OS so they could run Windows. From my personal experience, Widows users in general don’t mind Windows, but, definitely, nobody I have ever met finds it more desirable than macOS.

fidotron 7mo ago
The games industry remains a hotbed of people that vehemently hate Apple, even those that have never touched a Mac. Part of it historically was a sort of Visual Studio induced Stockholm Syndrome, where for a long time if you were doing C++ work that was the only sane way to go. There are some companies that even filter potential employees on this basis.
- dartharva 7mo ago
  Apple leaves gamers alone, it does not even attempt to be a nontrivial gaming platform and makes no promises. Why would gamers and gamedevs hate it? It just doesn't exist in their market.
  - xyzsparetimexyz 7mo ago
    Its a computer. People are gonna try and play computer games on it.
    - rbanffy 7mo ago
      Was Sony making their MIPS workstations when they introduced their MIPS-based PlayStation? Sounds like a nice distinction between work and play. ;-)
      - fidotron 7mo ago
        Curiously the Sega game Columns was licensed from the HP UX original.
  - fidotron 7mo ago
    From the noises that occur whenever you force a Windows loving gamedev to use a Mac the first major "problem" is mouse acceleration.
- iknowstuff 7mo ago
  Which companies?

alwillis 7mo ago

I believe you’re being downvoted because your logic is from 20+ years ago when Windows compatibility was important. Also the era when companies were trying to “kill” each other’s devices is no longer a thing. They all get the reality it’s a multi device world and they need to work within it.

akdev1l 7mo ago

wine already runs on Mac so really they would just need something like dxvk to have a package similar to proton To be honest if Apple wanted to they could work with valve to make gaming on Mac a reality To some degree it should already be possible with wine + dxvk + moltenvk

wao0uuno 7mo ago

Oh man I'd pay premium for a sleek device like this that CAN'T run Windows or Mac OS. Just a mere thought of being able to run pure Linux on that sweet sweet apple silicon with full driver support makes my juices flowing.

NetMageSCW 7mo ago
There will never be an Apple Silicon device without the ability to run an Apple OS. Just run MacOS.
- wao0uuno 7mo ago
  I know and I'd rather just stop using modern tech than willingly go back to Apple or Microsoft software.
alwillis 7mo ago
FYI: Apple added support for Linux containers to macOS Tahoe [1]. [1]: https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container