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No, this isn't what Paine means by death ground. Paine used that to refer to Soviet citizens/soldiers that knew they would be erased/eliminated if they lost. Th
by keiferski 8mo ago
No, this isn't what Paine means by death ground. Paine used that to refer to Soviet citizens/soldiers that knew they would be erased/eliminated if they lost. The Iranians don't think that their opponents want to eliminate their entire civilization.
- malfist 8mo ago[flagged]
- keiferski 8mo agoSure, those things exist, but let's not pretend that modern war is remotely comparable to the Eastern Front of WW2.
- rayiner 8mo ago[flagged]
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- rayiner 8mo agoI’m sorry that my opposition to the Islamists who just helped overthrow my home country’s government last year offends your sensibilities. I’m sure I’d share your liberal universalism if the last time I left my country wasn’t under armed guard because my people are prone to violent rioting. It must be easy to be a cultural relativist when you don’t actually know anything about how dysfunctional culture mire societies in chains from which escape is impossible.
- giraffe_lady 8mo ago[flagged]
- rayiner 8mo agoCultural relativism is a liberal concept; orthogonal to socialism/communism.
- rayiner 8mo agoIt’s not even remotely similar. We’re talking about countries where (almost) everyone is Muslim and Muslims control the political system, police, etc. Moderate Muslims who can’t reasonably be accused of “Islamophobia” understand that political Islam is a danger and often take extreme measures to keep it in check. Projecting American racial politics onto other countries is an extremely bad (and bizarrely ethnocentric) way to try to understand how the world works.
- UncleMeat 8mo ago[flagged]
- malfist 8mo agoIt's wild how much karma someone has who looks like all they do is post ragebait racist takes.
- butterbomb 8mo agoIt is good proof the mods lie about moderation though. Regardless of what you think of this particular user, I’ve seen dang jump down even long time user’s throats for much less.
- tstrimple 8mo agoI’m on the naughty list because I pushed back on nonsense like he posts and also questioned dang’s moderating ability as a result. Blatant sexism and racism are perfectly fine here as long as it’s “polite”. Pushing back on people spouting it will get you a timeout and a lecture.
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- Jtsummers 8mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46885305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46885305 - He believes only property owners should be allowed to vote, and would explicitly disenfranchise the majority of US citizens. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45945758 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45945758 - He dismisses someone who opposed a fascist dictatorship as being "antisocial" and says she was harming society by opposing said dictatorship. The most generous interpretation of that position is a tacit, rather than explicit, endorsement of fascism. He's got some strange views, indeed.
- orwin 8mo agoWe talk about Mosques shooting, women and girls wearing the hijab attacked/assaulted in the streets (being a woman in the streets after the sun is down always is a risk, if you're wearing anything Muslim-looking, you multiply that risk,), and a lot of aggression here.
- oa335 8mo agoThe shah of Iran heavily suppressed Islam as well…and It led directly to the Islamic revolution. Suppression of normal political and religious expression leads to more extremists, not less. When i talk about Islamophobia, I think about the time when my mom was run off the road by a couple of guys in a truck yelling slurs, or the woman who was stabbed walking home from our mosque, or the bulletholes in our mosque windows, or the weekly bomb/death threats. You wield your ethnicity like a bludgeon to “win” these types of arguments but you are quite remote from the actual experience of others who look like you.
- rayiner 8mo ago[flagged]
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- rayiner 8mo agoYou understand that Egypt is a Muslim country and El Sisi is a Muslim, right? This is a discussion about what moderate Muslims must do in countries like Egypt and Bangladesh to keep their countries from ending up like Iran.
- donkeybeer 8mo agoOf course but Iran or Egypt pose no threat to me. I'd believe you if you said it was more urgent to do the same to christians in the USA and west.
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- _DeadFred_ 8mo agoI can't help but think the 'death to America' chants going away plus the end of Iranian funding for Islamic terror/Islamic based violence will help fight Islamophobic perceptions in the US. My entire life it's seemed like a very visible section of Islam wanted my country/the West destroyed which by extension has influenced my opinion of Islam. I think a secular Iran is going to improve the perception of Islam in the West. I feel like the US and Iran have been at low level war my entire life and that Iran by their actions/words have felt the same.
- AlecSchueler 8mo ago> I can't help but think the 'death to America' chants going away With the recent actions of the US you can bet those chants won't go away for a long time.
- tstrimple 8mo agoThe bombings will continue until sentiment about the USA improves.
- AlecSchueler 8mo agoSentiment about the USA will worsen with every bomb.
- _DeadFred_ 8mo agoWere they ever going away before? Like I said this has been going on my entire life. It has shaped my worldview, especially in relation to Islam.
- AlecSchueler 8mo ago> Were they ever going away before? Was the US ever not meddling in middle Eastern affairs before? Just because the old strategy wasn't working doesn't mean double down on it and see if it sticks this time. Try something different, something that isn't certain to backfire!