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If true. And I put a big if on that. I WILL be buying their flagship model. My go to for Graphene has been used Pixels from eBay. Because I can’t give money t
by mmh0000 8mo ago
If true. And I put a big if on that.
I WILL be buying their flagship model.
My go to for Graphene has been used Pixels from eBay. Because I can’t give money to Google in good conscience.
- aussieguy1234 8mo agoI too have been buying used Pixels, mostly for environmental reasons. But from a local shop phonebot. Got 3 phones from there, no issues at all.
- Barbing 8mo agoBuying used introduces such a big supply chain risk. I stay safe by buying direct and asking the NSA not to open the shipment in the order notes. (y’all know this one https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa... )
- gf000 8mo agoWhat is the supposed threat model here? Mr. Rich Guy sells me his personal device he used in the previous year because he wants new shiny phone, but he may have the very slightest chance of being a super evil genius? The government selling tampered phones on ebay, when they could just.. go directly to vendors and put their backdoors directly into new phones/software? Sorry for the light snark, but this attack vector seems way too complicated for not much benefit. Unless you are some very VIP person being personally targeted.
- Barbing 8mo agoFutility I suppose, joking around about how we can’t win :) b/c as seen in the link buying new isn’t perfect
- aussieguy1234 8mo agoI put GrapheneOS on the phone myself. I wouldn't trust the OS shipped with a used phone. NSA could technically do this with a new phone also and probably has.
- Barbing 8mo agoDef gotta wipe used stuff. I have read comments from people who buy the new iPhone on day one but do a factory reset before touching it!
- smusamashah 8mo agoDidn't know more people are doing this. I am also using a used Pixel 4a which I got from eBay. Still has good battery. I don't see any reason to upgrade any time soon.
- DANmode 8mo agoSecurity patches.
- throawayonthe 8mo agoand support for hw memory tagging :p
- DANmode 8mo agoImagine downvoting “security patches” on Hacker News.
- duskdozer 8mo agoimo the RAM bloat/overly aggressive OS. on a similar aged device without zswap I couldn't run more than one maybe two things without the OS killing everything in the background. I think it was better before I got stuck updating to 15
- boltzmann-brain 8mo agoSpeaking of battery, veeeeery soon phones will have mandated replaceable batteries in the EU. I'm just hoping my current moto (a $99 job perfectly adequate for absolutely everything I do) survives until then. Aside: I've noticed over the years that phones die in one of the following ways: - too fast charging (battery dies, charge controller dies) - usb port dies - screen broken - all sorts of falls A lether folio case, gorilla glass, and a Qi charging adapter solve all of those problems (the charging adapter also limits the current by virtue of being inefficient). It has a magnetic connector (it's a simple two-pin job and it doesn't have any issues) - in the rare occasion I want to charge up real quick, I can still hook up directly via usb c, and meanwhile the port is stuffed with the converter's plug which prevents it from accumulating dirt and fluff. I'm glad to say that even despite many falls, some directly onto the screen, the phone itself still works very well, even if the case and glass protector are obviously ragged. I hope once unlockable Moto's come around I'll be able to keep that one for a long while as well.
- dataflow 8mo agoYou should really try to buy any phone used if you can, whether Pixel or Google or not.
- scrollop 8mo agoWhy?
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- dataflow 8mo agoFor the environment? To reduce e-waste? And you'll almost certainly save substantial money too.
- palata 8mo agoHow good is it for the environment / e-waste? If you buy a used phone every year from someone buying a new phone every year, it means that you both use one phone every two years, right? It's a lot worse than buying a new phone and keeping it for 8 years. If I said "I buy new phones regularly, but I sell them in second hand, for the environment". Would you consider I actually make an effort for the environment?
- dataflow 8mo ago> If you buy a used phone every year from someone buying a new phone every year, it means that you both use one phone every two years, right? It's a lot worse than buying a new phone and keeping it for 8 years. Because when someone says "buy used" they're obviously telling you to buy the antiques your grandma used to love back in the day on an annual basis. Anything newer than that especially from the last year or two would be new and insane to consider, especially if you keep it more than a year. You really owned me with the flawless argument there.
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- dotancohen 8mo agoDoesn't buying a used pixel encourage the sale of new pixels by demonstrating a healthy resale value?
- nhumrich 8mo agoI don't think the market of people buying used phones for the purpose of graphene is going to make a dent in profits for Google. It raises resale value maybe by say, $0, considering the price is set by the average consumer
- jstanley 8mo agoWell then buying them directly from Google would have no effect either.
- pschastain 8mo agoExcept that Google would then get the profits It's not about Google, it's about OP's personal values
- jstanley 8mo agoBut if you think buying on the secondhand market doesn't impact the market, why do you think buying from the OEM does? It's one phone's worth of demand either way.
- akimbostrawman 8mo agoNobody is buying pixels specifically to resells them. If anything there fast reduction in value makes them less attractive. First hand = money goes directly to Google including margin Second hand = money only goes towards a private person, 0$ for google. At best it prevents usable phones being thrown into landfill.
- jstanley 8mo ago