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With Motorola being owned by the Chinese company Lenovo can these new devices be used in secure environments? I remember when Lenovo took over making ThinkPads
by t1234s 8mo ago
With Motorola being owned by the Chinese company Lenovo can these new devices be used in secure environments? I remember when Lenovo took over making ThinkPads they were banned in some secure environments because of Lenovo links to CCP.
- lacunary 8mo agowhat does "secure environment" mean?
- mattnewton 8mo agoNot OP but I guess it’s where the threat model includes worrying about the foreign government actors. Like US infrastructure, government contracting or some major tech companies.
- zeech 8mo agoGood point. It's a good thing that, say, Google is notoriously independent from the US government, and has never had any ties to it whatsoever.
- nitinreddy88 8mo agoYou might want to add /s tag to it.
- ffsickempire 8mo ago[dead]
- maxloh 8mo ago> Lenovo originated as an offshoot of a state-owned research institute. From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo
- abdullahkhalids 8mo agoThe true reason you can't trust a Chinese company, and other countries can't trust US companies, is the Western patent regime that allows various companies to sit on patents for absurd amounts of times, preventing others from selling you completely clean hardware on which every piece of software can be replaced.
- Charon77 8mo agoThe whole point about having an open platform from boot is you don't have to trust it. You run your own code from first power on. Is it possible that it's backdoored, have a secret opcode / management engine? Probably, but that goes to everyone, as it's not practical to analyze what's in the chip (unless you're decapping them and all) I don't know what secure environments you're talking about, if it's an airgapped system then you should be secure even when what's inside 'tries to get out'.
- Haven880 8mo agoKorean and western made stuff guarantee to have such thing. CNC devices in Russia stopped working. Even NVIDIA gpu has back door according to China and NVIDIA had to settle this matter behind the scene with China government. At this point, your phone is 100% backdoorable by western government. The only thing protect you is you are non-threat and too small to be bother with.
- unethical_ban 8mo agoIs there documentation that GrapheneOS Pixels or iPhones are backdoored by governments to the extent that any person can be targeted?
- unethical_ban 8mo agoNo? Okay.
- akimbostrawman 8mo ago>Even NVIDIA gpu has back door according to China and NVIDIA They never said or claimed that. They rised concerns and asked about _possible_ backdoors the same way the west does about china e.g. Huawei.
- tho2i3423400 8mo agoAt this point in time, esp. given the raving lunacy of the US White House, those of us outside the "West", wonder the same thing about US companies.
- eckelhesten 8mo agoHonestly I’d prefer Chinese backdoors over western ones. China is still a land far far away and I couldn’t care less about what they’d do with my data, unlike western alphabet boys who could freeze my accounts and assets for ”wrongthinking” in the future.
- tjpnz 8mo agoJust make sure you don't have any family in China and don't plan to transit through HK anytime in the future.
- rationalist 8mo agoOne has to be careful when flying. Your flight's origin or destination might not be in China, and may not even be through Chinese airspace, but if there is an in-flight emergency, an airport in China might be the closest landing spot.
- iso-logi 8mo agoOccasionally, they'll "stage" an in-flight emergency, forcing a landing in China and arrest you. The US invented it.
- margalabargala 8mo agoThis isn't something the average random GrapheneOS user needs to worry about. Doing this has a non negligible political cost. They would only do it for a high value target. If you're that person, you're presumably aware.
- Haven880 8mo agoIphone is made by Chinese companies too. Same with Tesla. A lot of those components made by purely Chinese companies and yes can be trace to individuals who are CCP. It is extremely hard to source another purely away from any Chinese connections. If you say the main company is USA, you seems to ignore how the pager exploding setup was done. Go into any IT rooms in USA and you audit it as zero from China even if you ignore Taiwan as recognized by American law as part of China. We can't buy anything truly made non-China. Even F35 has some components (and that is official, unofficial we dont know) made in China. Google want to sell Motorola to American companies, not even Pentagon or NSA bother back then. Think about it, how hard to engineer a backdoor exactly same components (say capacitor) or motors during shipment for those phones.
- NewJazz 8mo agoDepends on what environment you mean. Chinese secure environments would see a Chinese OEM as an advantage vs. Google Pixels. In the US yeah you'd want a Pixel. European tech is in shambles and everyone else is barely holding it together outside of tech.
- lucasfin000 8mo agoThat's the entire point of verified boot with custom keys, you don't need to trust Motorola or Lenovo. You can control what runs from the first boot, the threat model for a compromised supply chain is different from a backdoored chip. If you are worried about the latter that applies to every manufacturer including Google & Apple.