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I pay for Kagi to get better search results. Lately, I’ve felt that Kagi’s search has been just as full of low-information and AI generated results as Google. I
by Vegenoid 7mo ago
I pay for Kagi to get better search results. Lately, I’ve felt that Kagi’s search has been just as full of low-information and AI generated results as Google. I’ve been wondering why I’m still paying for it. This seemed like a good litmus test. Unfortunately, Kagi displays pretty much the same results as Google for nanoclaw.
- duxup 7mo agoI don’t like any search engines now :(
- CSSer 7mo agoIt's because the search engine is being eaten by the LLM. I'm not suggesting that it's a perfect substitute. It's just what I feel is happening.
- TSiege 7mo agomore like LLM garbage are rotting search engines from the inside out
- duxup 7mo agoNaw this is a pre LLM problem.
- bigiain 7mo agoYep. SEO spam has been a thing for decades. LLMs have supercharged it though, it's so much easier to create dozens or hundreds or thousands of ultra low effort LLM written webpages and websites that it ever was before LLMs.
- CSSer 7mo agoI'm not talking about LLMs diluting search. I'm saying users are using LLMs to search more than search itself, including in search engines.
- soiltype 7mo agoYeah that's increasingly been my feeling as well. I have to keep prefacing my Kagi recommendations with, "web search is less and less useful every year, but..." I still appreciate being able to customize rankings, bangs, and redirects. But with how utterly shit the web is overall, any web search is basically only good if you know the site(s) the answer(s) will be on. When you're searching for something novel-to-you, even Kagi is just going to show you a full page of unregulated slop on the dumbest, just-registered-this-year domains. Real information is increasingly limited to small islands of trust.
- frereubu 7mo agoI hadn't really noticed anything like this until you pointed it out. My main use for Kagi is to pin Wikipedia results... I just tried searching for "nanoclaw" on Kagi (I'm in the UK so results biased towards there) and got: 1. nanoclaw[dot]net (!) 2. github.com/qwibitai/nanoclaw which looks like a ripoff? 3. Three videos, at least one of which looks like slop with crypto ads 4. github.com/gavrielc/nanoclaw which I presume is the real repo judging from the name? 5. Three "interesting finds" the top one of which is nanoclaw.dev, but with the title "Don't trust AI agents" because it's a blog post from that site 6. A fork of the qwibitai/nanoclaw repo
- bigiain 7mo ago> 2. github.com/qwibitai/nanoclaw which looks like a ripoff? That is literally the GitHub repo the original article shows as being "real".
- duskdozer 7mo agoIsn't Kagi basically just using a blocklist? In which case it's whack a mole as new sites spring up or bubble up to the top of other results. I keep my own blocklist and intermittently search key phrases to blanket block new sites, and there's often new sites popping up.
- Vegenoid 7mo agoThis sounds very interesting, could you elaborate on your methods and tools?
- duskdozer 7mo agohttps://github.com/iorate/ublacklist https://github.com/iorate/ublacklist Basically, - whenever a spam site is in my results, click to block - click through some and check out pages like "About" "Terms" "Disclaimer" "Privacy". often common boilerplate phrases abound. affiliate marketing spam, and similar, for example - exact string search those phrases - (get often many pages of results) - using a userscript, block all domains in each result page my results have gotten so much better for common types of queries. even then, new sites pop up almost daily it seems. add to the list.