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Could we just link to the original source instead of Gizmodo’s editorialized bad take? https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-418890A1.pdf https://docs.fc

Could we just link to the original source instead of Gizmodo’s editorialized bad take? https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-418890A1.pdf https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-418890A1.pdf I’ll start by saying that it pains me to have to defend anything out of Carr’s mouth, but “loyalty” isn’t anywhere in that doc. Carr calls for a pledge to air PSAs and what have you, not loyalty. And when he complains of civic illiteracy, is he wrong? Ironically, how do we think we got into this mess of the current administration? Is Carr wrong in calling for the airing of things like School House Rock? Is it so bad to start the broadcast day with the national anthem? (Trick question, because when I was a kid some 50 years ago, I remember the broadcast day ending with the national anthem. Was never up early enough to find out what they did at the start of the day.) The way Gizmodo words it, you’d think Carr is requiring that all broadcasters air blatant government propaganda. And maybe the FCC document is just a dog whistle, I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong. But the original document takes about five minutes to read, and I strongly suggest you read it and judge for yourself, rather than get all riled up from TFA’s editorializing.

hypeatei 8mo ago
Carr threatened ABC's broadcasting license by saying they could go "the easy way or the hard way" after Jimmy Kimmel made a joke that offended MAGA. Why would we give the administration the benefit of the doubt here? They're obviously not a unifying force looking to make people love America again by making it better; I would liken them to a North Korean PR team.
- cdrnsf 8mo ago
  They used similar threats to dissuade Netflix from buying Time Warner, influencing coverage at CBS News and so on. Carr is a sycophant in service to a narcissist with an incredibly fragile ego.
tracker1 8mo ago
Even then... the social cohesion in this country has lapsed so much in my half century of life that I can't help but think maybe we could use a little propaganda to come together more as a country. I can't help but remember one example of my youth to my son's youth a few decades later. When I was in school, the position on fights is if you have the ability to intercede to stop it, you have a responsibility to do so... by the time my son was in school it was, "don't get involved, get a teacher or call the police." It's just such a stark contrast to me that it's hard to fathom where things are now a couple decades further still from when I was a young kid in later elementary school and Jr. High. Without a shared society and cohesion, we're largely doomed as a society. I realize that some people actually want this, but I really don't. I want our nation and our people to be successful.
- hedora 8mo ago
  Trump forced the Boy Scouts to eliminate the Citizenship in Society badge. Just saying.
  - tracker1 8mo ago
    Why turn this into a divisive Trump thing? I'm literally talking about trying to bring the country closer together and the response is just more divisiveness...
    - hedora 8mo ago
      The article is a divisive Trump thing about how we cannot have free media anymore because the FCC is censoring stuff. Your comment about citizenship and tolerance makes sense, but that's also under direct attack by the Trump administration. They literally just forcefully coerced the scouts into dropping the exact things you are advocating for from their program. There's no real path towards tolerating that and also having a tolerant society. This is the main weakness of liberal democracies, and it's being exploited to tear our institutions down.
      - tracker1 8mo ago
        Being libertarian minded, very classically liberal... I think most of these institutions might not need to have existed in the first place. As an example, public funding for PBS... when all you need to is watch the PBS coverage of the SoTU address to see a perfect example in that it was indeed a partisan organization that shouldn't be getting public funding... even if I don't agree with a lot of Republican positions.
        hedora 8mo ago
        PBS is no longer government funded. They've also been attacking most private universities and all of the privately held media and computing platforms. As a libertarian, I don't see how you can argue that no private entities should be allowed to have freedom of speech. Also, I wasn't talking about public funding. I was talking about the federal government illegally soliciting bribes and intimidating private organizations into implementing illegal government policies on their behalf.
hedora 8mo ago
"The Pledge America Campaign enables broadcasters to lend their voices in support of Task Force 250 and the celebration of America’s 250th birthday by airing patriotic, pro-America content that celebrates the American journey and inspires its citizens by highlighting the historic accomplishments of this great nation from our founding through the Trump Administration today." Even ignoring the context (Trump censoring things, limiting private institutions speech, murdering people because their state's governor said mean things, etc, etc), the text of the page you link to clearly says broadcasters will need to air pro-Trump programming. If you take context into account by looking at how the administration has redefined many of the words they use in the document (I guess you'd call that a "dog whistle"), then it's even more clear this is the Trump's attempt to force the news media to air a coordinated propaganda campaign during a pivotal election year.
- tzs 8mo ago
  >> "The Pledge America Campaign enables broadcasters to lend their voices in support of Task Force 250 and the celebration of America’s 250th birthday by airing patriotic, pro-America content that celebrates the American journey and inspires its citizens by highlighting the historic accomplishments of this great nation from our founding through the Trump Administration today." > Even ignoring the context (Trump censoring things, limiting private institutions speech, murdering people because their state's governor said mean things, etc, etc), the text of the page you link to clearly says broadcasters will need to air pro-Trump programming Where does it say that? The part you quoted is using "Trump Administration today" as an interval endpoint, not a specifier of content.
  - hedora 8mo ago
    "celebrates ... highlights the historic accomplishments through (i.e. including those of) the Trump Administration today." If we want to be really pedantic, we can figure out what they accomplished up to and including the day of the sentence. I guess this means the networks need to run propaganda films supporting the bombing of that girls school that killed > 160 kids?
pinkmuffinere 8mo ago
Thankyou for your well-moderated reading of the text, you're absolutely right that Gizmodo's article is blowing it out of proportion. The actual ask is not so absurd. My reading of the text is that all of the following are encouraged: - The national anthem / pledge of allegiance (explicitly suggested by the text) - Civics-related stuff -- information about voting, how laws are passed, the branches of govt, the separation of powers, etc. - Arts that are "truly" American -- Blues, Jazz, Rock n Roll, etc. I know there will be disagreement about what counts as "American", but I think it's clear that there are some art forms that wouldn't exist without America's unique mixture of cultures. - Things about America's history -- speeches from George Washington/Lincoln/MLK/Other significant figures, the musical Hamilton, the emancipation proclamation, the text from the statue of liberty, discussion of Japanese internment camps, the history of Hawaii/Peurto Rico/Alaska/Any relevant state, etc I'm sure there will also be some less inclusive bits of history that are endorsed by some broadcasters. But Carr's message is not asking for that, it's just encouraging an increased focus on America. America is a melting pot, and has a great history of including downtrodden people, as well as a long history of injustice. A focus on America _doesn't_ mean we endorse the injustice. If anything, I think the injustice should be discussed, because they make the big shifts even _more_ palpable. There are people alive today that went to segregated schools. That's insane, and personally I do think that knowledge changes my behavior. I'd be very happy to be reminded about those things by public radio. There is one line that I felt was a bit concerning, but I think it really depends on your reading of the text (emphasis mine): > The Pledge America Campaign [encourages broadcasters to air] ... _pro-America_ content"

hypeatei 8mo ago

Carr threatened ABC's broadcasting license by saying they could go "the easy way or the hard way" after Jimmy Kimmel made a joke that offended MAGA. Why would we give the administration the benefit of the doubt here? They're obviously not a unifying force looking to make people love America again by making it better; I would liken them to a North Korean PR team.

cdrnsf 8mo ago
They used similar threats to dissuade Netflix from buying Time Warner, influencing coverage at CBS News and so on. Carr is a sycophant in service to a narcissist with an incredibly fragile ego.

tracker1 8mo ago

Even then... the social cohesion in this country has lapsed so much in my half century of life that I can't help but think maybe we could use a little propaganda to come together more as a country. I can't help but remember one example of my youth to my son's youth a few decades later. When I was in school, the position on fights is if you have the ability to intercede to stop it, you have a responsibility to do so... by the time my son was in school it was, "don't get involved, get a teacher or call the police." It's just such a stark contrast to me that it's hard to fathom where things are now a couple decades further still from when I was a young kid in later elementary school and Jr. High. Without a shared society and cohesion, we're largely doomed as a society. I realize that some people actually want this, but I really don't. I want our nation and our people to be successful.

hedora 8mo ago
Trump forced the Boy Scouts to eliminate the Citizenship in Society badge. Just saying.
- tracker1 8mo ago
  Why turn this into a divisive Trump thing? I'm literally talking about trying to bring the country closer together and the response is just more divisiveness...
  - hedora 8mo ago
    The article is a divisive Trump thing about how we cannot have free media anymore because the FCC is censoring stuff. Your comment about citizenship and tolerance makes sense, but that's also under direct attack by the Trump administration. They literally just forcefully coerced the scouts into dropping the exact things you are advocating for from their program. There's no real path towards tolerating that and also having a tolerant society. This is the main weakness of liberal democracies, and it's being exploited to tear our institutions down.
    - tracker1 8mo ago
      Being libertarian minded, very classically liberal... I think most of these institutions might not need to have existed in the first place. As an example, public funding for PBS... when all you need to is watch the PBS coverage of the SoTU address to see a perfect example in that it was indeed a partisan organization that shouldn't be getting public funding... even if I don't agree with a lot of Republican positions.
      - hedora 8mo ago
        PBS is no longer government funded. They've also been attacking most private universities and all of the privately held media and computing platforms. As a libertarian, I don't see how you can argue that no private entities should be allowed to have freedom of speech. Also, I wasn't talking about public funding. I was talking about the federal government illegally soliciting bribes and intimidating private organizations into implementing illegal government policies on their behalf.

hedora 8mo ago

"The Pledge America Campaign enables broadcasters to lend their voices in support of Task Force 250 and the celebration of America’s 250th birthday by airing patriotic, pro-America content that celebrates the American journey and inspires its citizens by highlighting the historic accomplishments of this great nation from our founding through the Trump Administration today." Even ignoring the context (Trump censoring things, limiting private institutions speech, murdering people because their state's governor said mean things, etc, etc), the text of the page you link to clearly says broadcasters will need to air pro-Trump programming. If you take context into account by looking at how the administration has redefined many of the words they use in the document (I guess you'd call that a "dog whistle"), then it's even more clear this is the Trump's attempt to force the news media to air a coordinated propaganda campaign during a pivotal election year.

tzs 8mo ago
>> "The Pledge America Campaign enables broadcasters to lend their voices in support of Task Force 250 and the celebration of America’s 250th birthday by airing patriotic, pro-America content that celebrates the American journey and inspires its citizens by highlighting the historic accomplishments of this great nation from our founding through the Trump Administration today." > Even ignoring the context (Trump censoring things, limiting private institutions speech, murdering people because their state's governor said mean things, etc, etc), the text of the page you link to clearly says broadcasters will need to air pro-Trump programming Where does it say that? The part you quoted is using "Trump Administration today" as an interval endpoint, not a specifier of content.
- hedora 8mo ago
  "celebrates ... highlights the historic accomplishments through (i.e. including those of) the Trump Administration today." If we want to be really pedantic, we can figure out what they accomplished up to and including the day of the sentence. I guess this means the networks need to run propaganda films supporting the bombing of that girls school that killed > 160 kids?

pinkmuffinere 8mo ago

Thankyou for your well-moderated reading of the text, you're absolutely right that Gizmodo's article is blowing it out of proportion. The actual ask is not so absurd. My reading of the text is that all of the following are encouraged: - The national anthem / pledge of allegiance (explicitly suggested by the text) - Civics-related stuff -- information about voting, how laws are passed, the branches of govt, the separation of powers, etc. - Arts that are "truly" American -- Blues, Jazz, Rock n Roll, etc. I know there will be disagreement about what counts as "American", but I think it's clear that there are some art forms that wouldn't exist without America's unique mixture of cultures. - Things about America's history -- speeches from George Washington/Lincoln/MLK/Other significant figures, the musical Hamilton, the emancipation proclamation, the text from the statue of liberty, discussion of Japanese internment camps, the history of Hawaii/Peurto Rico/Alaska/Any relevant state, etc I'm sure there will also be some less inclusive bits of history that are endorsed by some broadcasters. But Carr's message is not asking for that, it's just encouraging an increased focus on America. America is a melting pot, and has a great history of including downtrodden people, as well as a long history of injustice. A focus on America _doesn't_ mean we endorse the injustice. If anything, I think the injustice should be discussed, because they make the big shifts even _more_ palpable. There are people alive today that went to segregated schools. That's insane, and personally I do think that knowledge changes my behavior. I'd be very happy to be reminded about those things by public radio. There is one line that I felt was a bit concerning, but I think it really depends on your reading of the text (emphasis mine): > The Pledge America Campaign [encourages broadcasters to air] ... _pro-America_ content"