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>why so many companies are now saying they see zero ROI from AI efforts. I strongly suspect this is because workers are pocketing the gains for themselves. Rep

>why so many companies are now saying they see zero ROI from AI efforts. I strongly suspect this is because workers are pocketing the gains for themselves. Report XYZ usually takes a week to write. It now takes a day. The other 4 days are spent looking busy. The MIT report that found all these companies were getting nowhere with AI, also found that almost every worker was using AI almost daily. But using their personal account rather than the corporate one.

onionisafruit 8mo ago
If that were the case, this site and certain subreddits would have a lot of posts and comments with people crowing about how much time they are getting back. I haven’t seen that, but I haven’t gone looking for it either.
- butterbomb 8mo ago
  > people crowing about how much time they are getting back Trust me, if it wasn’t for RTO, I probably would be lol.
beachtaxidriver 8mo ago
Because the amount of ai slop code from peers and the amount of ai slop emails to read from management has exploded.
adithyassekhar 8mo ago
Quiet the contrary, companies layoff all roles (frontend, backend, qa, devops, even ui/ux) and handle a project to one competent dev. And asks them to deliver it in 1/3rd the time it would have took with a proper team. It's happening at places I know. This thread on reddit is 100% same: https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/s/EIksvB15tm https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/s/EIksvB15tm I can't even imagine the stress from context switching, and since people don't realize this is still work, they do this late into the night as well.
- bluGill 8mo ago
  Every downturn you see the same thing - mass layoffs blamed on whatever the latest fad is. In the end it was the economy not the fad. When it isn't the economy the gains are used to build more / better, not get rid of people. (not all fads have real gains, but when they do)
- WarmWash 8mo ago
  SWE's are a minority of the white collar workforce.
toraway 8mo ago
That’s certainly a … convenient … explanation.
everforward 8mo ago
While not dispositive of your idea, I think some portion of people using their personal accounts is because we collectively lack good feedback loops on the effectiveness of “AI addons” like RAG. The corporate accounts can be legitimately less useful than a “stock” account because the AI team integrates everything under the sun to show value, but the integrations become a net negative. Ie ones that index entire company wikis. It ends up regurgitating rejected or not implemented RFCs, or docs from someone’s personal workflow that requires setting up a bunch of stuff locally to work, or etc. A lot of tasks are not dependent on internal documentation, and it just ends up polluting the context with irrelevant, outdated or just wrong information.

onionisafruit 8mo ago

If that were the case, this site and certain subreddits would have a lot of posts and comments with people crowing about how much time they are getting back. I haven’t seen that, but I haven’t gone looking for it either.

butterbomb 8mo ago
> people crowing about how much time they are getting back Trust me, if it wasn’t for RTO, I probably would be lol.

beachtaxidriver 8mo ago

Because the amount of ai slop code from peers and the amount of ai slop emails to read from management has exploded.

adithyassekhar 8mo ago

Quiet the contrary, companies layoff all roles (frontend, backend, qa, devops, even ui/ux) and handle a project to one competent dev. And asks them to deliver it in 1/3rd the time it would have took with a proper team. It's happening at places I know. This thread on reddit is 100% same: https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/s/EIksvB15tm https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/s/EIksvB15tm I can't even imagine the stress from context switching, and since people don't realize this is still work, they do this late into the night as well.

bluGill 8mo ago
Every downturn you see the same thing - mass layoffs blamed on whatever the latest fad is. In the end it was the economy not the fad. When it isn't the economy the gains are used to build more / better, not get rid of people. (not all fads have real gains, but when they do)
WarmWash 8mo ago
SWE's are a minority of the white collar workforce.

toraway 8mo ago

That’s certainly a … convenient … explanation.

everforward 8mo ago

While not dispositive of your idea, I think some portion of people using their personal accounts is because we collectively lack good feedback loops on the effectiveness of “AI addons” like RAG. The corporate accounts can be legitimately less useful than a “stock” account because the AI team integrates everything under the sun to show value, but the integrations become a net negative. Ie ones that index entire company wikis. It ends up regurgitating rejected or not implemented RFCs, or docs from someone’s personal workflow that requires setting up a bunch of stuff locally to work, or etc. A lot of tasks are not dependent on internal documentation, and it just ends up polluting the context with irrelevant, outdated or just wrong information.