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I was curious to see the "Innovative DICOM Medical Imaging" section. I wouldn't have thought that Apple would be interested in niche applications like viewing r

by sq_ 7mo ago

I was curious to see the "Innovative DICOM Medical Imaging" section. I wouldn't have thought that Apple would be interested in niche applications like viewing radiology imaging, but I guess they're probably interested in any cost-insensitive market for these since they're so expensive.

AdamN 7mo ago
It's probably an easy win for them. It also might have been a good target when they were ideating on specs. Having these pro certifications gives the devices a halo of premium quality.
- geerlingguy 7mo ago
  Regular consumers probably don't buy these displays in bulk, when you can get very nice displays for less than half the price that are 98% the same on specs. So targeting checkbox-compliance for places like hospital systems is probably an easy win to generating / keeping some long term contracts.
  - AdamN 7mo ago
    I don't think you can get a DICOM-certified display at 5K and 27" for half the price. Probably like $1k less but that's it - and if you're a radiologist making $300k+ you're not going to want to cheap out on a display.
    - geerlingguy 7mo ago
      No I'm saying regular consumers don't care about DICOM certification. They care about the other 98% of the specs, and can find a suitable alternative.
    - danudey 7mo ago
      If you're a radiologist making $300k+ you're going to want to use certified displays so that you don't get sued for using non-approved devices for diagnostic use, and that's going to cost you maybe $6k for a 21" monitor. https://www.monitors.com/products/jvc-cl-s500-rn?variant=42733194051673 https://www.monitors.com/products/jvc-cl-s500-rn?variant=427... $3300 for a 27" display is ridiculous in comparison. (Acknowledging that the link I provided is for a pair of monitors, but also those monitors are half price because they're refurbished)
  - sbrother 7mo ago
    > you can get very nice displays for less than half the price that are 98% the same on specs. Can you recommend any displays with PPI and brightness equivalent to the studio display, with 120Hz+ refresh rates? I was waiting for this announcement to buy a studio display because I thought they might bring 120Hz to the base model, but $3300 is a lot to spend on a single display. I have an original studio display and a high refresh rate 4K OLED monitor, and they are both compromises unfortunately.
    - rscrawfo 7mo ago
      The price point is super painful. 2k would have been bad enough but I would have considered it. It’s a no go at $3,300 for me.
    - themacguffinman 7mo ago
      https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-rog-strix-27-dual-mode-5k-165hz-2k-330hz-1ms-gaming-monitor-with-freesync-premium-pro-and-hdr-black/JJGHGPRXXF/sku/6648335 https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-rog-strix-27-dual-mode-... I haven't found a glossy competitor, or even one with the same HDR spec, but this is the closest I could find so far.
- detourdog 7mo ago
  This also keeps their development targets at the state of the art.
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a2tech 7mo ago
At a local hospital the radiologists have been all Mac for a long long time. They refused to give it up and resisted all attempts to get them to switch. So it doesn’t surprise me at all.
- sq_ 7mo ago
  Interesting, I would've guessed that they would've forcibly been on Windows since time immemorial. Entirely unsurprised that someone would refuse to give up their workflow, though! I've rarely found a user with specific needs who wants to change literally anything else about their system, since what they have works for them.
- seec 7mo ago
  Yeah, in my first job I was an Apple technician for a company that supplied DICOM solutions to radiologist, both in hospitals and standalone. I thought it was weird they spent so much money on Apple hardware when most of what we sold was servers that would be hidden anyway. But they do like OsiriX; once a solution is established in those fields, they stick with it, very conservative professions obviously...

by sq_ 7mo ago

AdamN 7mo ago

It's probably an easy win for them. It also might have been a good target when they were ideating on specs. Having these pro certifications gives the devices a halo of premium quality.

geerlingguy 7mo ago
Regular consumers probably don't buy these displays in bulk, when you can get very nice displays for less than half the price that are 98% the same on specs. So targeting checkbox-compliance for places like hospital systems is probably an easy win to generating / keeping some long term contracts.
- AdamN 7mo ago
  I don't think you can get a DICOM-certified display at 5K and 27" for half the price. Probably like $1k less but that's it - and if you're a radiologist making $300k+ you're not going to want to cheap out on a display.
  - geerlingguy 7mo ago
    No I'm saying regular consumers don't care about DICOM certification. They care about the other 98% of the specs, and can find a suitable alternative.
  - danudey 7mo ago
    If you're a radiologist making $300k+ you're going to want to use certified displays so that you don't get sued for using non-approved devices for diagnostic use, and that's going to cost you maybe $6k for a 21" monitor. https://www.monitors.com/products/jvc-cl-s500-rn?variant=42733194051673 https://www.monitors.com/products/jvc-cl-s500-rn?variant=427... $3300 for a 27" display is ridiculous in comparison. (Acknowledging that the link I provided is for a pair of monitors, but also those monitors are half price because they're refurbished)
- sbrother 7mo ago
  > you can get very nice displays for less than half the price that are 98% the same on specs. Can you recommend any displays with PPI and brightness equivalent to the studio display, with 120Hz+ refresh rates? I was waiting for this announcement to buy a studio display because I thought they might bring 120Hz to the base model, but $3300 is a lot to spend on a single display. I have an original studio display and a high refresh rate 4K OLED monitor, and they are both compromises unfortunately.
  - rscrawfo 7mo ago
    The price point is super painful. 2k would have been bad enough but I would have considered it. It’s a no go at $3,300 for me.
  - themacguffinman 7mo ago
    https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-rog-strix-27-dual-mode-5k-165hz-2k-330hz-1ms-gaming-monitor-with-freesync-premium-pro-and-hdr-black/JJGHGPRXXF/sku/6648335 https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-rog-strix-27-dual-mode-... I haven't found a glossy competitor, or even one with the same HDR spec, but this is the closest I could find so far.
detourdog 7mo ago
This also keeps their development targets at the state of the art.

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a2tech 7mo ago

At a local hospital the radiologists have been all Mac for a long long time. They refused to give it up and resisted all attempts to get them to switch. So it doesn’t surprise me at all.

sq_ 7mo ago
Interesting, I would've guessed that they would've forcibly been on Windows since time immemorial. Entirely unsurprised that someone would refuse to give up their workflow, though! I've rarely found a user with specific needs who wants to change literally anything else about their system, since what they have works for them.
seec 7mo ago
Yeah, in my first job I was an Apple technician for a company that supplied DICOM solutions to radiologist, both in hospitals and standalone. I thought it was weird they spent so much money on Apple hardware when most of what we sold was servers that would be hidden anyway. But they do like OsiriX; once a solution is established in those fields, they stick with it, very conservative professions obviously...