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Good. Our society will surely suffer some sort of degradation from the way incest porn has become the most promoted and “normal” type of porn It went from bein

Good. Our society will surely suffer some sort of degradation from the way incest porn has become the most promoted and “normal” type of porn It went from being the most taboo type imaginable to the first things kids will see when they get a phone and look for adult content.

sieep 8mo ago
Often among some of the first things they'll see period
reedf1 8mo ago
moral panic
- nephihaha 8mo ago
  I'm old fashioned, I draw the line at dead people, incest (even "stepincest"), children and animals.
  - piva00 8mo ago
    You control other people's fantasies? I understand and agree with children, and bestiality being off-limits due to the non-consenting nature of any sexual interaction with them but a fantasy re-enacted by actors about incest/stepincest or even playing dead people? Why do you care? It's someone else's kink, not yours, you wouldn't like if the majority of people thought your vanilla sex kinks are off-limits (no more missionary for you, it's disgusting!).
    - nephihaha 8mo ago
      People fantasise about a lot of things (not just sexual), but that doesn't mean they are right. There are reasons beyond sex why incest (even with non-blood relatives) and bestiality are off the table. Not because of "vanilla" as you put it, but because they come with other costs. As does unprotected sex with multiple strangers, another stupid trope promoted in porn.
      - lores 8mo ago
        Don't forget driving, the most dangerous thing one can do in the West. It sounds be the first thing to be banned, really, the costs are just too enormous.
        nephihaha 8mo ago
        Western governments see car owners, smokers and drinkers as a steady income stream while preaching against them. I was on a bus yesterday which took three times as long as it should have done. An hour and a half on a bus, and I still got in late despite setting out early. That was in a city. If you live outside a city, the public transport is even worse. I've missed job interviews, dates, other transport connections etc due to public transport. So yes, there are costs to that too.
      - piva00 8mo ago
        What reasons? You don't expand on it, you just say there are reasons why you agree on banning a type of fantasy to be produced between consenting adults, so other adults can consume and fulfill a kink. So far nothing in that statement makes it comparable to bestiality or child porn, at all, why is that for you? Think answering this can move this conversation forward...
        nephihaha 8mo ago
        You seem to think that because someone has a kink or a fantasy that it automatically makes it okay, and we "shouldn't judge". If I consented before death for people to use my corpse for sexual purposes, than that does not make necrophilia healthy.
  - mft_ 8mo ago
    Children and animals can’t consent and are relatively helpless, so must be protected. Real incest leads to a high risk of developmental problems for subsequent children, so a ban makes sense. Logically, none of these arguments apply to “step-incest”.
    - nephihaha 8mo ago
      Incest isn't just about genetics. People have adult godparents, foster children, adopted siblings and a whole load of other relations without genetic connections being involved. There are power dynamics and a whole load of other reasons it isn't right.
      - mft_ 8mo ago
        All very fair points; I was thinking (but didn't specify) of the step-brother/sister relationship as mentioned in other comments. And just to be clear, I'm not an especial advocate here! I'm just interested as always in establishing clear logical rules that can then be applied fairly.)
    - benj111 8mo ago
      You say animals can't consent, but in the uk it's illegal for the ladies to have sex with male animals. That must imply some sort of consent. This also raises interesting moral questions for the farming industry. Did those animals you're breeding consent?
      - mft_ 8mo ago
        (Your question doesn't make sense, but) A quick search shows that sex with an animal is definitely illegal in the UK [0] whether it's a male or a female human involved. [0] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/69 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/69
        benj111 8mo ago
        Yes. But a male animal getting an erection implies some kind of consent? And if it doesn't? What about farms breeding livestock? Society has decided that you can rape a pig for profit, but not for pleasure. So is it really about consent? Or puritanism?
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- bill_joy_fanboy 8mo ago
  the word you're looking for isn't "panic"; it's "indignation" ;)
RGamma 8mo ago
The step-relationship is completely unbelievable in these productions. I wondered why they ever started doing that. Are people so gullible?
- manarth 8mo ago
  I'm not sure _many_ consumers of any porn are particular attentive to the believability (nor to the dialogue or plotline)
  - RGamma 8mo ago
    But have porn sites untrained people from expecting to see what the title says? I'd wager it's pretty common knowledge that the word doesn't mean anything in this context, which makes real step porn much harder to find. Is this a step-phenomenon to clickbait titles?
mrweasel 8mo ago
Honestly I think it's a flaw in the algorithms of the various tube sites. There is no way in hell that having your step-sister stuck in a washing machine is the number one kink/fantasy on the planet. Somehow the sites a providing incorrect feedback to the uploaders and creators, which skews HEAVILY towards adding stepmom/stepsister into the title and plot. Someone pointed out that it's a convenient "plot" for having two people in the same room, but apparently the adult industry never figured out that having the actors pretend to be a couple is an equally convenient plot.
- rudhdb773b 8mo ago
  My money is on the porn sites being right. Incest fantasies are far more common than the number of people who would admit to them suggest. Just like almost no one will admit to finding a girl a day under 18 sexually attractive, yet somehow "barely legal" porn is extremely popular.
  - benj111 8mo ago
    Well 'not legal' porn would be illegal assuming the actress is indeed under 18. So that's why you don't get porn of it.
ryaniscool 8mo ago
Ok, but the real issue with kids looking up porn is how it warps general expectations around sex. Singling out specific fetishes and taboos that involve consenting adults seems a little bit like misdirected moral panic. To be more specific, the idea that step-cest warps children's minds is laughable when the larger issue is that 95% of porn portrays women as submissive sex dolls that exist for male pleasure. Don't forget the unrealistic expectations around body and beauty standards

sieep 8mo ago

Often among some of the first things they'll see period

reedf1 8mo ago

moral panic

nephihaha 8mo ago
I'm old fashioned, I draw the line at dead people, incest (even "stepincest"), children and animals.
- piva00 8mo ago
  You control other people's fantasies? I understand and agree with children, and bestiality being off-limits due to the non-consenting nature of any sexual interaction with them but a fantasy re-enacted by actors about incest/stepincest or even playing dead people? Why do you care? It's someone else's kink, not yours, you wouldn't like if the majority of people thought your vanilla sex kinks are off-limits (no more missionary for you, it's disgusting!).
  - nephihaha 8mo ago
    People fantasise about a lot of things (not just sexual), but that doesn't mean they are right. There are reasons beyond sex why incest (even with non-blood relatives) and bestiality are off the table. Not because of "vanilla" as you put it, but because they come with other costs. As does unprotected sex with multiple strangers, another stupid trope promoted in porn.
    - lores 8mo ago
      Don't forget driving, the most dangerous thing one can do in the West. It sounds be the first thing to be banned, really, the costs are just too enormous.
      - nephihaha 8mo ago
        Western governments see car owners, smokers and drinkers as a steady income stream while preaching against them. I was on a bus yesterday which took three times as long as it should have done. An hour and a half on a bus, and I still got in late despite setting out early. That was in a city. If you live outside a city, the public transport is even worse. I've missed job interviews, dates, other transport connections etc due to public transport. So yes, there are costs to that too.
    - piva00 8mo ago
      What reasons? You don't expand on it, you just say there are reasons why you agree on banning a type of fantasy to be produced between consenting adults, so other adults can consume and fulfill a kink. So far nothing in that statement makes it comparable to bestiality or child porn, at all, why is that for you? Think answering this can move this conversation forward...
      - nephihaha 8mo ago
        You seem to think that because someone has a kink or a fantasy that it automatically makes it okay, and we "shouldn't judge". If I consented before death for people to use my corpse for sexual purposes, than that does not make necrophilia healthy.
- mft_ 8mo ago
  Children and animals can’t consent and are relatively helpless, so must be protected. Real incest leads to a high risk of developmental problems for subsequent children, so a ban makes sense. Logically, none of these arguments apply to “step-incest”.
  - nephihaha 8mo ago
    Incest isn't just about genetics. People have adult godparents, foster children, adopted siblings and a whole load of other relations without genetic connections being involved. There are power dynamics and a whole load of other reasons it isn't right.
    - mft_ 8mo ago
      All very fair points; I was thinking (but didn't specify) of the step-brother/sister relationship as mentioned in other comments. And just to be clear, I'm not an especial advocate here! I'm just interested as always in establishing clear logical rules that can then be applied fairly.)
  - benj111 8mo ago
    You say animals can't consent, but in the uk it's illegal for the ladies to have sex with male animals. That must imply some sort of consent. This also raises interesting moral questions for the farming industry. Did those animals you're breeding consent?
    - mft_ 8mo ago
      (Your question doesn't make sense, but) A quick search shows that sex with an animal is definitely illegal in the UK [0] whether it's a male or a female human involved. [0] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/69 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/69
      - benj111 8mo ago
        Yes. But a male animal getting an erection implies some kind of consent? And if it doesn't? What about farms breeding livestock? Society has decided that you can rape a pig for profit, but not for pleasure. So is it really about consent? Or puritanism?
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bill_joy_fanboy 8mo ago
the word you're looking for isn't "panic"; it's "indignation" ;)

RGamma 8mo ago

The step-relationship is completely unbelievable in these productions. I wondered why they ever started doing that. Are people so gullible?

manarth 8mo ago
I'm not sure _many_ consumers of any porn are particular attentive to the believability (nor to the dialogue or plotline)
- RGamma 8mo ago
  But have porn sites untrained people from expecting to see what the title says? I'd wager it's pretty common knowledge that the word doesn't mean anything in this context, which makes real step porn much harder to find. Is this a step-phenomenon to clickbait titles?

mrweasel 8mo ago

Honestly I think it's a flaw in the algorithms of the various tube sites. There is no way in hell that having your step-sister stuck in a washing machine is the number one kink/fantasy on the planet. Somehow the sites a providing incorrect feedback to the uploaders and creators, which skews HEAVILY towards adding stepmom/stepsister into the title and plot. Someone pointed out that it's a convenient "plot" for having two people in the same room, but apparently the adult industry never figured out that having the actors pretend to be a couple is an equally convenient plot.

rudhdb773b 8mo ago
My money is on the porn sites being right. Incest fantasies are far more common than the number of people who would admit to them suggest. Just like almost no one will admit to finding a girl a day under 18 sexually attractive, yet somehow "barely legal" porn is extremely popular.
- benj111 8mo ago
  Well 'not legal' porn would be illegal assuming the actress is indeed under 18. So that's why you don't get porn of it.

ryaniscool 8mo ago

Ok, but the real issue with kids looking up porn is how it warps general expectations around sex. Singling out specific fetishes and taboos that involve consenting adults seems a little bit like misdirected moral panic. To be more specific, the idea that step-cest warps children's minds is laughable when the larger issue is that 95% of porn portrays women as submissive sex dolls that exist for male pleasure. Don't forget the unrealistic expectations around body and beauty standards