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That's why they've been hitting residential buildings and hotels as well? They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures,

That's why they've been hitting residential buildings and hotels as well? They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures, so does the US army? All these attempts to justify Iranian terror demonstrate just how deep Qatari influence online has been. And even Qatar is being attacked by Iran now.

kasey_junk 8mo ago
Is Hezbollah hiding in the elementary school that got bombed? Perhaps that’s where the Iranian nuclear research was done? We attacked them. Full stop. And as far as I can tell we haven’t given them any conditions for when we will stop bombing them. In what moral framework do you have to just accept another sovereign, a vastly more powerful one, invading your country without fighting back?
- ta20240528 8mo ago
  I can't guess what the USA wants other than a distraction from the raping-of- children saga, but I bet Israel would settle for "we acknowledge your right to exist and won't fund or encourage organisations that plan to harm you." If Saudi Arabia can get there…
  - kasey_junk 8mo ago
    The world has seen what Israel does when they’re attacked. They don’t get to set moral frameworks anymore.
    - ta20240528 8mo ago
      Agreed. But that wasn't the OP's question.
    - dotancohen 8mo ago
      Who in your opinion sets the moral framework for defending oneself against an enemy which has sworn genocide and proven capable of destroying entire peaceful villages along their borders?
      - arbitrary_name 8mo ago
        you're describing Israel here, right?
        dotancohen 8mo ago
        Which village in Gaza do you consider to have been peaceful?
      - ta20240528 8mo ago
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        dotancohen 8mo ago
        The IDF did not starve civilians - that lie has already been disproven. I know that you'd love to repeat it until history records it, but by no objective measure was there famine nor starvation in Gaza. Other than the starvation of Hamas' hostages. The images of "starving children" were images of children with other medical conditions. The UN reports used a metric that considered starvation at HALF the threshold used in every other conflict zone, and even with that metric only found "evidence" in a single location once.
        ta20240528 8mo ago
        … but they did bomb apartment buildings in Tehran. I saw that with my own eyes. Stick to the challenge: what won't you accept? Nothing?
        dotancohen 8mo ago
        I accept the bombing of buildings which house those who have declared "Death to America, Death to Israel", and then have proceeded to bomb apartment buildings in Beit Shemesh.
        ta20240528 8mo ago
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  - pydry 8mo ago
    israel will never be reasonable. we can bully them or appease them but they cannot be reasoned with. appeasement is seemingly having the same effect it did when chamberlain did it.
  - JasonADrury 8mo ago
    Why should Israel have a right to exist? And under what parameters? Within which borders? Who gets citizenship? Surely there's no moral case to be made for Israel having a right to exist in its current religious ethnostate form? People who presumably should have citizenship due to their ties to the land area are excluded because they believe in the wrong ancient delusions.
    - dotancohen 8mo ago
      > Why should Israel have a right to exist? There are at least three basic answers to that question, depending upon one's worldview. 1. Israel does not have a right to exist, in fact no state has "a right to exist". 2. Israel has a right to exist because her citizens successfully defend her from those who wish her not to exist. 3. Israel has a right to exist because the UN declared it. >>> random.randrange(1,4) 3 That's the tough one, but I'll answer under that worldview for the remainder of the reply... > And under what parameters? Under the parameters established by her founders, and the UN, and those established by her neighbouring states. From the Israeli declaration of independence: "WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness" - https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_(Israel) From the neighbouring states: "No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Arab_League_summit Need I remind you that seven nations attacked Israel on the day of her independence? That attack caused a million and a half people to become refugees - both Arabs in the holy land and Jews in the rest of the middle east. It also moved the lines of control from the UN partition plan lines to the 1948 cease fire lines - which far favoured the Jewish state and extended in some places to the internationally recognised borders of Mandatory Palestine. > Within which borders? Within the borders of the predecessor state, Mandatory Palestine, just like all other newly-established states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis_juris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis_juris). Had the Arabs founded an Arab state on the remaining lands of Mandatory Palestine then I would argue that Israel should be established only on the land allocated by the UN and the land lost by the Arabs in their failed war. But the Arabs never established a state there. > Who gets citizenship? The people who live within the borders of the new state, and those whom the state determines are eligible for immigration. Just like every other state. In other words, there is no reason to treat Israel any differently than any other state on the planet.
- cced 8mo ago
  > We attacked them During negotiations, for the second time.
  - dotancohen 8mo ago
    Negotiations during which the Iranians continuously stalled and continued their nuclear work. The threat of attack was part of the US negotiation strategy, and the Iranians thought they would call the "bluff". They were wrong.
    - LAC-Tech 8mo ago
      Gentiles have a right to defend themselves.
      - dotancohen 8mo ago
        Which is exactly why I expect the Americans to destroy the nuclear capability of the state that regularly chants "Death to America".
        LAC-Tech 8mo ago
        Did they chant that before or after hamas beheaded 40 babies? I lose track of all the lies.
        dotancohen 8mo ago
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        LAC-Tech 8mo ago
        They have been chanting "down with America" - that does not mean "murder every single person in America with their missiles (which can't reach America)" "Death to" is a mistranslation of "marg bar", a phrase that is also applied to traffic, and inflation. Do the Iranians want to kill all traffic and all... inflation? We no longer believe your lies.
- atsaloli 8mo ago
  The primary condition is giving up nuclear ambitions.
  - LAC-Tech 8mo ago
    It is too late, Israel already has nuclear weapons.
    - nxm 8mo ago
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      - LAC-Tech 8mo ago
        Hasbara. Over 20 years ago the president of Iran talked about "the regime occupying jerusalem must dissappear from the pages of time". IE they want regime change in Israel - which is exactly what the Israelis want in Iran. The difference is Iran is a more responsible international actor and has not started two wars based on this pretext. So yes, I trust a nuclear armed Iran much, much more than I trust a nuclear armed Israel.
        latentsea 8mo ago
        You'd trust a country that funds terrorist organizations with nukes? Let's not put you in charge...
        LAC-Tech 8mo ago
        Israel funded terrorist organisations in Syria, and in Palestine itself - most famously the group Hamas. Many of the terrorist groups Iran funds operates in areas illegally occupied by the Israeli military, making them legitimate resistance fighters. And Israel itself is a terrorist state - they achieved independence via the actions of Jewish terrorist groups in Palestine like Igrun, Lehi - which included several future Israeli Prime Ministers as members. So no, I do not trust Israel with nukes - they should be disarmed immediately.
- Symbiote 8mo ago
  It's not quite as clear-cut as it might first seem. The school was either within or bordering a military barracks, depending which way you wish to spin it. Al-Jazeera's article has obvious bias, but plenty of pictures and diagrams: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/3/questions-over-minab-girls-school-strike-as-israel-us-deny-involvement https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/3/questions-over-minab...
  - dotancohen 8mo ago
    Thank you for the link. AlJazeera is blocked in my country, but I was able to read it. Why is the school called Shajareh Tayyebeh, Arabic for Good Tree? Don't the Iranians speak Persian? Why an Arabic name?
LAC-Tech 8mo ago
I genuinetely do not think Hasbara like this works anymore. The overton window on this has irrevocably shifted since 2023 and it would be a better strategy for you to live within this new reality, rather than making ludicrous claims that the middle eastern country most vehemently trying to shape western views on the region is... Qatar. It just comes across as an obvious projection, and only encourages sentiment that has a real potential to become harmful to you personally. That is, unless posts like thos are designed to encourage that sentiment, which I sometimes suspect.
- lyu07282 8mo ago
  I think this shifted overtone window has partially to do with why they started this war to begin with, they see the writing on the wall and their window of opportunity is closing. Trump is at historic lows in polling [1]; 65% of democrats now sympathize more with Palestinians over Israelis (17%) [2]. HN is just a generally reactionary place, I wouldn't read to much into that. [1] https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-sil... [2] https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead...
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- dotancohen 8mo ago
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    - dotancohen 8mo ago
      Instead of claiming "whatever bullshit you come up with" at me, go search for Qatari influence in English too. I prefer Qatari sources in Arabic because then one cannot claim a biased source, but for those who can not read Arabic there is ample English language discussion. Here's just the first two Google results, enjoy, there's quite a few more from both sides of the US political divide if you would like to start nitpicking sources. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3334519/elite-us-universities-partner-qatari-government-anti-american-media/ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3334519/elite-us-uni... https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5334791-qatars-us-influence-strategy-goes-much-further-than-you-think/ https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5334791-qatars-us-...
throw-the-towel 8mo ago
> They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures, so does the US army? > Two US Defense Department employees were wounded when an Iranian drone struck a hotel in Bahrain's capital Manama, The Washington Post reported Monday.
- dotancohen 8mo ago
  Are you suggesting that two people sleeping in a hotel makes the hotel a valid military target? Because people have been telling Israelis for years that hospitals, mosques, residential apartment buildings, and schools from which rockets are stored and launched are not valid military targets, even when these activities are supported by the building administration and the rocket handlers are clearly visible.
lyu07282 8mo ago
> All these attempts to justify Iranian terror At the end of the day you have to understand the reality that Iran is a sovereign nation that is going to defend itself. And yes they are hitting residential buildings and hotels with US military personnel present. None of this is terrorism, this is a nation state retaliating after an attack on their nation, you have to understand this basic concept, actions have consequences. This is not propaganda, you are just willfully ignorant. If you want to destroy Iran you have to take retaliation into account, everything else is just propaganda, what do you expect them to do instead? Just lie down and take it? You can't use retaliation of the nation you attacked as justification of why the attack was justified, its circular logic, this is textbook propaganda you are repeating.
bayindirh 8mo ago
I believe they have warned that any country offering support will be targeted, even before the attacks began. So they are cowards if they do what they say, and they are cowards if they don't do anything. What should they do? Evacuate the country and offer the land for free?
XorNot 8mo ago
I mean if you want to put your geopolitical blinkers on, sure...but how to beat America is old news at this point: cause casualties however you can, and wait for the US to give up. Complain about it all you want but what are you going to do? The US is already bombing them. Perhaps all of this goes into the big bucket labelled "war is expensive and unpredictable, maybe try diplomacy?" Which the current administration has made a note of promptly tearing up prior agreements with everyone anyway so...whoops I guess.
weird_tentacles 8mo ago
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kasey_junk 8mo ago

Is Hezbollah hiding in the elementary school that got bombed? Perhaps that’s where the Iranian nuclear research was done? We attacked them. Full stop. And as far as I can tell we haven’t given them any conditions for when we will stop bombing them. In what moral framework do you have to just accept another sovereign, a vastly more powerful one, invading your country without fighting back?

ta20240528 8mo ago
I can't guess what the USA wants other than a distraction from the raping-of- children saga, but I bet Israel would settle for "we acknowledge your right to exist and won't fund or encourage organisations that plan to harm you." If Saudi Arabia can get there…
- kasey_junk 8mo ago
  The world has seen what Israel does when they’re attacked. They don’t get to set moral frameworks anymore.
  - ta20240528 8mo ago
    Agreed. But that wasn't the OP's question.
  - dotancohen 8mo ago
    Who in your opinion sets the moral framework for defending oneself against an enemy which has sworn genocide and proven capable of destroying entire peaceful villages along their borders?
    - arbitrary_name 8mo ago
      you're describing Israel here, right?
      - dotancohen 8mo ago
        Which village in Gaza do you consider to have been peaceful?
    - ta20240528 8mo ago
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      - dotancohen 8mo ago
        The IDF did not starve civilians - that lie has already been disproven. I know that you'd love to repeat it until history records it, but by no objective measure was there famine nor starvation in Gaza. Other than the starvation of Hamas' hostages. The images of "starving children" were images of children with other medical conditions. The UN reports used a metric that considered starvation at HALF the threshold used in every other conflict zone, and even with that metric only found "evidence" in a single location once.
        ta20240528 8mo ago
        … but they did bomb apartment buildings in Tehran. I saw that with my own eyes. Stick to the challenge: what won't you accept? Nothing?
        dotancohen 8mo ago
        I accept the bombing of buildings which house those who have declared "Death to America, Death to Israel", and then have proceeded to bomb apartment buildings in Beit Shemesh.
        ta20240528 8mo ago
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- pydry 8mo ago
  israel will never be reasonable. we can bully them or appease them but they cannot be reasoned with. appeasement is seemingly having the same effect it did when chamberlain did it.
- JasonADrury 8mo ago
  Why should Israel have a right to exist? And under what parameters? Within which borders? Who gets citizenship? Surely there's no moral case to be made for Israel having a right to exist in its current religious ethnostate form? People who presumably should have citizenship due to their ties to the land area are excluded because they believe in the wrong ancient delusions.
  - dotancohen 8mo ago
    > Why should Israel have a right to exist? There are at least three basic answers to that question, depending upon one's worldview. 1. Israel does not have a right to exist, in fact no state has "a right to exist". 2. Israel has a right to exist because her citizens successfully defend her from those who wish her not to exist. 3. Israel has a right to exist because the UN declared it. >>> random.randrange(1,4) 3 That's the tough one, but I'll answer under that worldview for the remainder of the reply... > And under what parameters? Under the parameters established by her founders, and the UN, and those established by her neighbouring states. From the Israeli declaration of independence: "WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness" - https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_(Israel) From the neighbouring states: "No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Arab_League_summit Need I remind you that seven nations attacked Israel on the day of her independence? That attack caused a million and a half people to become refugees - both Arabs in the holy land and Jews in the rest of the middle east. It also moved the lines of control from the UN partition plan lines to the 1948 cease fire lines - which far favoured the Jewish state and extended in some places to the internationally recognised borders of Mandatory Palestine. > Within which borders? Within the borders of the predecessor state, Mandatory Palestine, just like all other newly-established states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis_juris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis_juris). Had the Arabs founded an Arab state on the remaining lands of Mandatory Palestine then I would argue that Israel should be established only on the land allocated by the UN and the land lost by the Arabs in their failed war. But the Arabs never established a state there. > Who gets citizenship? The people who live within the borders of the new state, and those whom the state determines are eligible for immigration. Just like every other state. In other words, there is no reason to treat Israel any differently than any other state on the planet.
cced 8mo ago
> We attacked them During negotiations, for the second time.
- dotancohen 8mo ago
  Negotiations during which the Iranians continuously stalled and continued their nuclear work. The threat of attack was part of the US negotiation strategy, and the Iranians thought they would call the "bluff". They were wrong.
  - LAC-Tech 8mo ago
    Gentiles have a right to defend themselves.
    - dotancohen 8mo ago
      Which is exactly why I expect the Americans to destroy the nuclear capability of the state that regularly chants "Death to America".
      - LAC-Tech 8mo ago
        Did they chant that before or after hamas beheaded 40 babies? I lose track of all the lies.
        dotancohen 8mo ago
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        LAC-Tech 8mo ago
        They have been chanting "down with America" - that does not mean "murder every single person in America with their missiles (which can't reach America)" "Death to" is a mistranslation of "marg bar", a phrase that is also applied to traffic, and inflation. Do the Iranians want to kill all traffic and all... inflation? We no longer believe your lies.
atsaloli 8mo ago
The primary condition is giving up nuclear ambitions.
- LAC-Tech 8mo ago
  It is too late, Israel already has nuclear weapons.
  - nxm 8mo ago
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    - LAC-Tech 8mo ago
      Hasbara. Over 20 years ago the president of Iran talked about "the regime occupying jerusalem must dissappear from the pages of time". IE they want regime change in Israel - which is exactly what the Israelis want in Iran. The difference is Iran is a more responsible international actor and has not started two wars based on this pretext. So yes, I trust a nuclear armed Iran much, much more than I trust a nuclear armed Israel.
      - latentsea 8mo ago
        You'd trust a country that funds terrorist organizations with nukes? Let's not put you in charge...
        LAC-Tech 8mo ago
        Israel funded terrorist organisations in Syria, and in Palestine itself - most famously the group Hamas. Many of the terrorist groups Iran funds operates in areas illegally occupied by the Israeli military, making them legitimate resistance fighters. And Israel itself is a terrorist state - they achieved independence via the actions of Jewish terrorist groups in Palestine like Igrun, Lehi - which included several future Israeli Prime Ministers as members. So no, I do not trust Israel with nukes - they should be disarmed immediately.
Symbiote 8mo ago
It's not quite as clear-cut as it might first seem. The school was either within or bordering a military barracks, depending which way you wish to spin it. Al-Jazeera's article has obvious bias, but plenty of pictures and diagrams: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/3/questions-over-minab-girls-school-strike-as-israel-us-deny-involvement https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/3/questions-over-minab...
- dotancohen 8mo ago
  Thank you for the link. AlJazeera is blocked in my country, but I was able to read it. Why is the school called Shajareh Tayyebeh, Arabic for Good Tree? Don't the Iranians speak Persian? Why an Arabic name?

LAC-Tech 8mo ago

I genuinetely do not think Hasbara like this works anymore. The overton window on this has irrevocably shifted since 2023 and it would be a better strategy for you to live within this new reality, rather than making ludicrous claims that the middle eastern country most vehemently trying to shape western views on the region is... Qatar. It just comes across as an obvious projection, and only encourages sentiment that has a real potential to become harmful to you personally. That is, unless posts like thos are designed to encourage that sentiment, which I sometimes suspect.

lyu07282 8mo ago
I think this shifted overtone window has partially to do with why they started this war to begin with, they see the writing on the wall and their window of opportunity is closing. Trump is at historic lows in polling [1]; 65% of democrats now sympathize more with Palestinians over Israelis (17%) [2]. HN is just a generally reactionary place, I wouldn't read to much into that. [1] https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-sil... [2] https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead...
- LAC-Tech 8mo ago
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dotancohen 8mo ago
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- lyu07282 8mo ago
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  - dotancohen 8mo ago
    Instead of claiming "whatever bullshit you come up with" at me, go search for Qatari influence in English too. I prefer Qatari sources in Arabic because then one cannot claim a biased source, but for those who can not read Arabic there is ample English language discussion. Here's just the first two Google results, enjoy, there's quite a few more from both sides of the US political divide if you would like to start nitpicking sources. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3334519/elite-us-universities-partner-qatari-government-anti-american-media/ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3334519/elite-us-uni... https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5334791-qatars-us-influence-strategy-goes-much-further-than-you-think/ https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5334791-qatars-us-...

throw-the-towel 8mo ago

> They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures, so does the US army? > Two US Defense Department employees were wounded when an Iranian drone struck a hotel in Bahrain's capital Manama, The Washington Post reported Monday.

dotancohen 8mo ago
Are you suggesting that two people sleeping in a hotel makes the hotel a valid military target? Because people have been telling Israelis for years that hospitals, mosques, residential apartment buildings, and schools from which rockets are stored and launched are not valid military targets, even when these activities are supported by the building administration and the rocket handlers are clearly visible.

lyu07282 8mo ago

> All these attempts to justify Iranian terror At the end of the day you have to understand the reality that Iran is a sovereign nation that is going to defend itself. And yes they are hitting residential buildings and hotels with US military personnel present. None of this is terrorism, this is a nation state retaliating after an attack on their nation, you have to understand this basic concept, actions have consequences. This is not propaganda, you are just willfully ignorant. If you want to destroy Iran you have to take retaliation into account, everything else is just propaganda, what do you expect them to do instead? Just lie down and take it? You can't use retaliation of the nation you attacked as justification of why the attack was justified, its circular logic, this is textbook propaganda you are repeating.

bayindirh 8mo ago

I believe they have warned that any country offering support will be targeted, even before the attacks began. So they are cowards if they do what they say, and they are cowards if they don't do anything. What should they do? Evacuate the country and offer the land for free?

XorNot 8mo ago

I mean if you want to put your geopolitical blinkers on, sure...but how to beat America is old news at this point: cause casualties however you can, and wait for the US to give up. Complain about it all you want but what are you going to do? The US is already bombing them. Perhaps all of this goes into the big bucket labelled "war is expensive and unpredictable, maybe try diplomacy?" Which the current administration has made a note of promptly tearing up prior agreements with everyone anyway so...whoops I guess.

weird_tentacles 8mo ago

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