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I am pretty calmed down, the fact is... There are quite a number of illegal activities going on in the world using the Internet. As much as you joke, the fact i

I am pretty calmed down, the fact is... There are quite a number of illegal activities going on in the world using the Internet. As much as you joke, the fact is I use my wifi all day long and hooking it to tor/vpn would: 1) slow it down 2) cost me money if I do not want 1) to happen You know, I do not travel to volcanoes, but I do use the Internet. And being hit by a meteor is something over which I have no control... My wifi is completely mine to tinker with. On the other hand: and I am not into risking SO MUCH (just the fact of receiving a letter is too much for me, sorry my values are not equal to yours) for so little benefit, sorry. It is a risk without quotes, it is probably not a "danger" from your point of view (just to be precise): risk is anything with a potential damaging outcome... Yes, any activity is a risk. Just ask any insurance company out there. And frankly I could not care less about Schneier's open wifi and his arguments in this case.

belorn 14y ago
I never meant you should use tor/vpn on your own traffic, just the open wifi traffic. Funnel all trafic you deem risky (ie, from the unknown public) to tor, and let your own traffic use the non-tor route. Technically, you can do this several ways. You can base it on the source MAC, ipsec authentication, or just have two separate networks (one close, one open). As for the risk. Yes, any activity is a risk. Walking down the street, breathing air, or just talking to someone will invokes a large number of them. Thus, if we dont want to be incapacitated by our own fears, we must evaluate them. Meteor insurance is a joke because of this. While it is a "risk" in the strict sense, its not a risk worth considering or giving any action to. If the risk of open wifi is the same or even less than meteor strikes, why does it deserve any though or considerations? Why is this fear different from people who refuse to leave their home, or refuse to be around people if they dont wear face masks and gloves? Ie, are there a rational reason to avoid open-wifi, or is it just irrational fear. Of course, anyone is allowed to not do something they feel afraid of. But I also feel allowed to point out the folly of irrational fears of risks with less than meteor strike probability.
- pfortuny 14y ago
  risk=dangerValue x probabilty. I am entitled to value legal liability as higher than my own life, am I not?
  - elemenohpee 14y ago
    You're entitled to say that you do in order to win an argument on the internet, but everyone knows you're being intellectually dishonest about it.
    - pfortuny 14y ago
      Thanks for the parenting. I guess you have never been depressed: you would value a few of things above your life if you had. But anyway, thanks for the mastering.
      - Dylan16807 14y ago
        Using a mental health problem to counter an argument that depends on rational thinking is rather pointless. Elemenohpee was dismissive because there is no reasonable argument for valuing minor to moderate legal liability as more important than life itself. Pointing out that elemenohpee was dismissive is not going to help you win the argument. It just adds more evidence to the accusation of "intellectually dishonest" if you have nothing else to say in rebuttal, especially when you exaggerate it.
        Retric 14y ago
        I agree he was over the top, however... Rational does not mean the same thing as sanity. Rationality means behaving in a manor consistent with your beliefs, desires, and the information you have. If you would much rather be killed while skydiving than driving your car taking you may do things that are not what most people would consider 'sane', but are still perfectly rational based on your goals and beliefs.

belorn 14y ago

I never meant you should use tor/vpn on your own traffic, just the open wifi traffic. Funnel all trafic you deem risky (ie, from the unknown public) to tor, and let your own traffic use the non-tor route. Technically, you can do this several ways. You can base it on the source MAC, ipsec authentication, or just have two separate networks (one close, one open). As for the risk. Yes, any activity is a risk. Walking down the street, breathing air, or just talking to someone will invokes a large number of them. Thus, if we dont want to be incapacitated by our own fears, we must evaluate them. Meteor insurance is a joke because of this. While it is a "risk" in the strict sense, its not a risk worth considering or giving any action to. If the risk of open wifi is the same or even less than meteor strikes, why does it deserve any though or considerations? Why is this fear different from people who refuse to leave their home, or refuse to be around people if they dont wear face masks and gloves? Ie, are there a rational reason to avoid open-wifi, or is it just irrational fear. Of course, anyone is allowed to not do something they feel afraid of. But I also feel allowed to point out the folly of irrational fears of risks with less than meteor strike probability.

pfortuny 14y ago
risk=dangerValue x probabilty. I am entitled to value legal liability as higher than my own life, am I not?
- elemenohpee 14y ago
  You're entitled to say that you do in order to win an argument on the internet, but everyone knows you're being intellectually dishonest about it.
  - pfortuny 14y ago
    Thanks for the parenting. I guess you have never been depressed: you would value a few of things above your life if you had. But anyway, thanks for the mastering.
    - Dylan16807 14y ago
      Using a mental health problem to counter an argument that depends on rational thinking is rather pointless. Elemenohpee was dismissive because there is no reasonable argument for valuing minor to moderate legal liability as more important than life itself. Pointing out that elemenohpee was dismissive is not going to help you win the argument. It just adds more evidence to the accusation of "intellectually dishonest" if you have nothing else to say in rebuttal, especially when you exaggerate it.
      - Retric 14y ago
        I agree he was over the top, however... Rational does not mean the same thing as sanity. Rationality means behaving in a manor consistent with your beliefs, desires, and the information you have. If you would much rather be killed while skydiving than driving your car taking you may do things that are not what most people would consider 'sane', but are still perfectly rational based on your goals and beliefs.