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So dumb, I have to think it's astroturfed. Anthropic states they're not willing to help with autonomous weapons because it's not good enough yet, and suddenly e

So dumb, I have to think it's astroturfed. Anthropic states they're not willing to help with autonomous weapons because it's not good enough yet, and suddenly everyone cancels their OAI subscription? I just don't get it

smt88 8mo ago
The sticking point seems to be that Anthropic didn't want to help the Trump regime spying on its own citizens (by using Claude to sift through mass-surveillance data)
evan_ 8mo ago
Most people’s LLM use cases don’t involve autonomous weapons
- dmix 8mo ago
  Do any autonomous weapons have an LLM usecase yet? As opposed to say, specialized visual ML stuff that can fit on a small portable system. The DoD office staff using it for information analysis, similar to Palantir providing data integration software, isn't quite the same as using it for weapons.
  - charcircuit 8mo ago
    >As opposed to say, specialized visual ML stuff that can fit on a small portable system. What do you think writes the code for that and trains the models?
  - brokencode 8mo ago
    That’s part of why this is all so stupid. Anthropic’s red lines seem very reasonable. Feels incredibly arbitrary for the DoD to cancel the contract and declare it a supply chain risk.
    - dmix 8mo ago
      That's the way I see it. I've commented previously that I see this mostly as a Soviet-style loyalty test not really about the specific technical concerns of developing weapon systems or surveillance.
giancarlostoro 8mo ago
Some might be but dont be so sure. Theres a lot of hatred in our country over politics and sides dont matter, all sides can be quite hateful.
foolfoolz 8mo ago
“everyone” could be one person. these internet reported movements rarely have meaningful impact
SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
I can't prove there was no astroturfing, but I was personally absolutely furious and hard-deleted my account Friday evening. I'm not sure how to bridge the gap in understanding, this story was extremely radicalizing for me, I'm genuinely hoping now that OpenAI burns to the ground.
- jazzyjackson 8mo ago
  Why not let Anthropic burn to the ground too? They are still partnered with Palantir offering the same service one incorporation removed. They are not opposed to autonomous weapons in principle and surveillance on foreigners is fair game. The only moral stance is to use no AI at all (it’s not that hard)
softwaredoug 8mo ago
I think it’s from a perception (right or wrong) that OpenAI engineered this kerfuffle to hurt a competitor and cozy up to the administration
raincole 8mo ago
People don't want salt on their injuries. If OpenAI announced the military contract a few months later no one would care. But they announced it on the same day and that pissed many people (read: maybe 0.1% of ChatGPT users) off.
mrbombastic 8mo ago
They stated 2 red lines, mass domestic surveillance and fully autonomous weapons, as a result Trump admin threw a hissy fit and cancelled all military contracts going forward and designated them a supply chain risk to further punish them. https://x.com/SecWar/status/2027507717469049070 https://x.com/SecWar/status/2027507717469049070 OpenAI on the other hand after all this is openly partnering and seemingly has no such red lines and has given milquetoast explanations as to why this is acceptable. What is surprising about the boycott?

smt88 8mo ago

The sticking point seems to be that Anthropic didn't want to help the Trump regime spying on its own citizens (by using Claude to sift through mass-surveillance data)

evan_ 8mo ago

Most people’s LLM use cases don’t involve autonomous weapons

dmix 8mo ago
Do any autonomous weapons have an LLM usecase yet? As opposed to say, specialized visual ML stuff that can fit on a small portable system. The DoD office staff using it for information analysis, similar to Palantir providing data integration software, isn't quite the same as using it for weapons.
- charcircuit 8mo ago
  >As opposed to say, specialized visual ML stuff that can fit on a small portable system. What do you think writes the code for that and trains the models?
- brokencode 8mo ago
  That’s part of why this is all so stupid. Anthropic’s red lines seem very reasonable. Feels incredibly arbitrary for the DoD to cancel the contract and declare it a supply chain risk.
  - dmix 8mo ago
    That's the way I see it. I've commented previously that I see this mostly as a Soviet-style loyalty test not really about the specific technical concerns of developing weapon systems or surveillance.

giancarlostoro 8mo ago

Some might be but dont be so sure. Theres a lot of hatred in our country over politics and sides dont matter, all sides can be quite hateful.

foolfoolz 8mo ago

“everyone” could be one person. these internet reported movements rarely have meaningful impact

SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago

I can't prove there was no astroturfing, but I was personally absolutely furious and hard-deleted my account Friday evening. I'm not sure how to bridge the gap in understanding, this story was extremely radicalizing for me, I'm genuinely hoping now that OpenAI burns to the ground.

jazzyjackson 8mo ago
Why not let Anthropic burn to the ground too? They are still partnered with Palantir offering the same service one incorporation removed. They are not opposed to autonomous weapons in principle and surveillance on foreigners is fair game. The only moral stance is to use no AI at all (it’s not that hard)

softwaredoug 8mo ago

I think it’s from a perception (right or wrong) that OpenAI engineered this kerfuffle to hurt a competitor and cozy up to the administration

raincole 8mo ago

People don't want salt on their injuries. If OpenAI announced the military contract a few months later no one would care. But they announced it on the same day and that pissed many people (read: maybe 0.1% of ChatGPT users) off.

mrbombastic 8mo ago

They stated 2 red lines, mass domestic surveillance and fully autonomous weapons, as a result Trump admin threw a hissy fit and cancelled all military contracts going forward and designated them a supply chain risk to further punish them. https://x.com/SecWar/status/2027507717469049070 https://x.com/SecWar/status/2027507717469049070 OpenAI on the other hand after all this is openly partnering and seemingly has no such red lines and has given milquetoast explanations as to why this is acceptable. What is surprising about the boycott?