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I find (1) hard to swallow.

by jcoder 14y ago

rdl 14y ago
I don't think "most", but I'd buy "many". But more so, a lot of people have never seen a high-DPI retina display and don't know what they're missing. I have an iPad 3; girlfriend still has an iPad 1. Whenever she shows me something, it's painful, particularly text. Luckily she now gets the iPad 3 once my iPad 4 arrives...
- seanmcdirmid 14y ago
  You can pry the retina screen from my cold dead hands. I've been using an iPad 2 for the last week as I'm preparing to give it away on my trip. My god, the pixels cause my eyes to bleed! I never noticed before I had the iPad 3, but somehow it just causes your resolution expectations to increase drastically.
  - nickbarnwell 14y ago
    This is not the experience I've had with a retina MBP at all. While the increase in usable workspace is nice, I recently had to bring in it for service and go back to using my 2011-vintage "normal" MBP for a week - the only difference I noted was the lack of SSD. This is running the newer machine at 1920x1200 (or 3840x2400, I suppose) and the old at 1680x1050. My day-to-day work is all done in iTerm and VIM. Had I paid for the machine, I would've been sorely disappointed I think.
    - rdl 14y ago
      I think part of it might be working distance, and that the desktop OS still isn't really optimized for retina. The other problem I have with the rMBP is that it's glossy; I'm sticking with my 2010 17" Matte for now, and the slightly-less-glossy-than-Pro Air.
  - rdl 14y ago
    Fortunately 17" PVA and 24" IPS 1920x1200 and 13" PVA MBA 1400x990 are still basically ok. It will be exciting in 2013-2014 when High DPI desktop displays, iPad Mini Retina displays, etc. become commonplace. I wonder if it'll be 4K on the desktop, or some other standard.
ghshephard 14y ago
I took my 13" MacBook Air into the Apple store, and loaded some prime shots I had taken with a good lens into the Retina version of Aperture onto the MacBook Pro off a USB Key (I love how the Apple Staff who saw me doing this went and got a cloth to clean off all the smudges from both the screens so we could get the best possible comparison) Long story short - the difference blew me away, and I fell in love with the Retina Display. The friend I was with swore he could not tell the difference between my 1440x900 2010 13" Macbook Air and the 2880x1800 15" Macbook Pro Retina - even with an App that had been optimized for Retina Display. He just could see anything different on the screens. Some people just don't see the pixels.
majormajor 14y ago
Practically everyone I knew over 30 in the late 90s when DVD was becoming a thing told me they didn't see the difference compared to VHS, even on a 37" TV (big for back then). Then I heard the same sort of things about HD a few years later. Eventually I had to stop assuming that they were all lying to me... I don't know if people just figure their vision stabilized in the 20s and don't realize it's still getting worse cause they don't go to the eye doctor every year, or maybe they just don't pay as close attention as me, but I've heard that sort of thing too much to disbelieve.
- ghshephard 14y ago
  At distance (> 5') there is no perceptible difference for HD vs SD video to me. If my life depended on it, I could not identify a show in SD vs a show in HD. Totally wasted on me. And yes, you are write - a good pair of glasses would probably help.
  - koffiezet 14y ago
    30+ here, and SD vs HD for me is day and night. Though except for computer generated animation movies, I have a hard time spotting the difference between 720p and 1080p, especially since some movies have blur/grain filters...
kevinh 14y ago
I think most people can tell the difference, but I also think people don't care about the difference. Increased resolution on the iPad (which can only run one process at a time) really isn't that pressing of a concern. It's the same reason many people find DVDs adequate for movies. It's good enough. Yes, blu-ray is higher quality, but you can only really "notice" when they're side by side and get used to the quality you're looking at.

I find (1) hard to swallow.

by jcoder 14y ago

I find (1) hard to swallow.

rdl 14y ago

I don't think "most", but I'd buy "many". But more so, a lot of people have never seen a high-DPI retina display and don't know what they're missing. I have an iPad 3; girlfriend still has an iPad 1. Whenever she shows me something, it's painful, particularly text. Luckily she now gets the iPad 3 once my iPad 4 arrives...

seanmcdirmid 14y ago
You can pry the retina screen from my cold dead hands. I've been using an iPad 2 for the last week as I'm preparing to give it away on my trip. My god, the pixels cause my eyes to bleed! I never noticed before I had the iPad 3, but somehow it just causes your resolution expectations to increase drastically.
- nickbarnwell 14y ago
  This is not the experience I've had with a retina MBP at all. While the increase in usable workspace is nice, I recently had to bring in it for service and go back to using my 2011-vintage "normal" MBP for a week - the only difference I noted was the lack of SSD. This is running the newer machine at 1920x1200 (or 3840x2400, I suppose) and the old at 1680x1050. My day-to-day work is all done in iTerm and VIM. Had I paid for the machine, I would've been sorely disappointed I think.
  - rdl 14y ago
    I think part of it might be working distance, and that the desktop OS still isn't really optimized for retina. The other problem I have with the rMBP is that it's glossy; I'm sticking with my 2010 17" Matte for now, and the slightly-less-glossy-than-Pro Air.
- rdl 14y ago
  Fortunately 17" PVA and 24" IPS 1920x1200 and 13" PVA MBA 1400x990 are still basically ok. It will be exciting in 2013-2014 when High DPI desktop displays, iPad Mini Retina displays, etc. become commonplace. I wonder if it'll be 4K on the desktop, or some other standard.

ghshephard 14y ago

I took my 13" MacBook Air into the Apple store, and loaded some prime shots I had taken with a good lens into the Retina version of Aperture onto the MacBook Pro off a USB Key (I love how the Apple Staff who saw me doing this went and got a cloth to clean off all the smudges from both the screens so we could get the best possible comparison) Long story short - the difference blew me away, and I fell in love with the Retina Display. The friend I was with swore he could not tell the difference between my 1440x900 2010 13" Macbook Air and the 2880x1800 15" Macbook Pro Retina - even with an App that had been optimized for Retina Display. He just could see anything different on the screens. Some people just don't see the pixels.

majormajor 14y ago

Practically everyone I knew over 30 in the late 90s when DVD was becoming a thing told me they didn't see the difference compared to VHS, even on a 37" TV (big for back then). Then I heard the same sort of things about HD a few years later. Eventually I had to stop assuming that they were all lying to me... I don't know if people just figure their vision stabilized in the 20s and don't realize it's still getting worse cause they don't go to the eye doctor every year, or maybe they just don't pay as close attention as me, but I've heard that sort of thing too much to disbelieve.

ghshephard 14y ago
At distance (> 5') there is no perceptible difference for HD vs SD video to me. If my life depended on it, I could not identify a show in SD vs a show in HD. Totally wasted on me. And yes, you are write - a good pair of glasses would probably help.
- koffiezet 14y ago
  30+ here, and SD vs HD for me is day and night. Though except for computer generated animation movies, I have a hard time spotting the difference between 720p and 1080p, especially since some movies have blur/grain filters...

kevinh 14y ago

I think most people can tell the difference, but I also think people don't care about the difference. Increased resolution on the iPad (which can only run one process at a time) really isn't that pressing of a concern. It's the same reason many people find DVDs adequate for movies. It's good enough. Yes, blu-ray is higher quality, but you can only really "notice" when they're side by side and get used to the quality you're looking at.