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Weirdly Europe and even Canada seem to be completely onboard with all this..

by jordanb 8mo ago

Hendrikto 8mo ago
Having a brutal dictatorial regime that finances international terrorists on your doorstep does that to you.
- tsimionescu 8mo ago
  Yes, all those radical Iranian-backed terrorists on Canada and France's doorsteps have radicalized them.
  - Hendrikto 8mo ago
    Citing Canada here is bad faith and you know it. For France that is unironically true.
  - TiredOfLife 8mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines_Flight_752 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines...
- nerdyadventurer 8mo ago
  You know who created ISIS? US
  - nerdyadventurer 8mo ago
    Please read: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/opinion/how-america-helped-isis.html?_r=2 https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/opinion/how-america-helpe...
skywalqer 8mo ago
Yeah, because killing murderous dictators is helpful, and it doesn't matter that much who does it. In Europe, states aren't sacred – it is the freedom of people, and when people are freed, Europeans are happy even if it includes breaking the sovereignty of some terror state. I'm not saying I like Trump, but when he kills evil dictators, I can't complain. (There was 10k+ protesters killed in Iran recently) There is huge potential hidden in Iran; it has always had a huge influence over the region and possibly the whole world.
hyperman1 8mo ago
That's not how I am reading this. Here, the reaction seems mostly that Europe doesn't want to touch this mess. Which is weird, as Iran was clearly on our list of bad countries and Israel can do nothing wrong. Local news publishes articles of Iranians in our countries being happy, political commenters indicating it can go both ways, and not much comments from politicians.
- prewett 8mo ago
  I can totally see why Europe doesn't want to touch this! I'm assuming that Europe doesn't mind the results, but also finds the means legitimately concerning. But they aren't in a position to do anything about the latter, so issue statements of concern about unilateral action, and quietly be relieved that somebody else gets stuck with the stigma.
petcat 8mo ago
Also weirdly they only came out in support once they saw that the operation was largely successful. It's almost like they prefer to ride on the coattails the same as they always have. They don't want to risk their politics.
- bonsai_spool 8mo ago
  > Also weirdly they only came out in support once they saw that the operation was largely successful This is revisionist. First, when has a bombing run been ‘unsuccessful’ in the modern era? The assassination wasn’t confirmed until after these statements had come out. Second, these statements were released essentially as soon as these folks woke up. The rest of the world should be forgiven for taking POTUS at his word when he said he was going to continue negotiations.
_3u10 8mo ago
Agreed. Canada fired the attorney general rather than prosecute those who financed momar ghaddfi. If Trump takes carney to stand trial I support it. It’s also self admittedly a genocidal state which has failed to bring anyone to justice for the genocide it committed. The Canadian people need US help in bringing those responsible for genocide and terrorist financing to stand trial for their crimes.
cess11 8mo ago
Norway, Finland and Spain protested the attack on the basis of international law. The swedish government was more like 'eh, they had it coming', which does not bode well for us in the long run.
_3u10 8mo ago
Iran is not a sovereign state, the legitimate powers of government derive from the consent of the governed, without consent it’s not a sovereign state. The power of sovereignty rests with the people who have given their consent in free and fair elections to have their leaders removed.
inglor_cz 8mo ago
Not even Russia really wants Iran to have nuclear weapons and a rocket technology that can hit targets 3000 km+ distant, though they obviously wouldn't attack Iran over that problem. The Middle East is notoriously hard to predict and governments change, while the nuclear capability endures. Of all the countries that currently make any steps towards nuclear armament, Iran has by far the widest coalition of opponents.
hearsathought 8mo ago
Surely they will be sanctioning Israel like they sanctioned russia for attacking ukraine? After all aren't Canada and europe self proclaimed beacons of light?

Weirdly Europe and even Canada seem to be completely onboard with all this..

by jordanb 8mo ago

Weirdly Europe and even Canada seem to be completely onboard with all this..

Hendrikto 8mo ago

Having a brutal dictatorial regime that finances international terrorists on your doorstep does that to you.

tsimionescu 8mo ago
Yes, all those radical Iranian-backed terrorists on Canada and France's doorsteps have radicalized them.
- Hendrikto 8mo ago
  Citing Canada here is bad faith and you know it. For France that is unironically true.
- TiredOfLife 8mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines_Flight_752 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines...
nerdyadventurer 8mo ago
You know who created ISIS? US
- nerdyadventurer 8mo ago
  Please read: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/opinion/how-america-helped-isis.html?_r=2 https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/opinion/how-america-helpe...

skywalqer 8mo ago

Yeah, because killing murderous dictators is helpful, and it doesn't matter that much who does it. In Europe, states aren't sacred – it is the freedom of people, and when people are freed, Europeans are happy even if it includes breaking the sovereignty of some terror state. I'm not saying I like Trump, but when he kills evil dictators, I can't complain. (There was 10k+ protesters killed in Iran recently) There is huge potential hidden in Iran; it has always had a huge influence over the region and possibly the whole world.

hyperman1 8mo ago

That's not how I am reading this. Here, the reaction seems mostly that Europe doesn't want to touch this mess. Which is weird, as Iran was clearly on our list of bad countries and Israel can do nothing wrong. Local news publishes articles of Iranians in our countries being happy, political commenters indicating it can go both ways, and not much comments from politicians.

prewett 8mo ago
I can totally see why Europe doesn't want to touch this! I'm assuming that Europe doesn't mind the results, but also finds the means legitimately concerning. But they aren't in a position to do anything about the latter, so issue statements of concern about unilateral action, and quietly be relieved that somebody else gets stuck with the stigma.

petcat 8mo ago

Also weirdly they only came out in support once they saw that the operation was largely successful. It's almost like they prefer to ride on the coattails the same as they always have. They don't want to risk their politics.

bonsai_spool 8mo ago
> Also weirdly they only came out in support once they saw that the operation was largely successful This is revisionist. First, when has a bombing run been ‘unsuccessful’ in the modern era? The assassination wasn’t confirmed until after these statements had come out. Second, these statements were released essentially as soon as these folks woke up. The rest of the world should be forgiven for taking POTUS at his word when he said he was going to continue negotiations.

_3u10 8mo ago

Agreed. Canada fired the attorney general rather than prosecute those who financed momar ghaddfi. If Trump takes carney to stand trial I support it. It’s also self admittedly a genocidal state which has failed to bring anyone to justice for the genocide it committed. The Canadian people need US help in bringing those responsible for genocide and terrorist financing to stand trial for their crimes.

cess11 8mo ago

Norway, Finland and Spain protested the attack on the basis of international law. The swedish government was more like 'eh, they had it coming', which does not bode well for us in the long run.

_3u10 8mo ago

Iran is not a sovereign state, the legitimate powers of government derive from the consent of the governed, without consent it’s not a sovereign state. The power of sovereignty rests with the people who have given their consent in free and fair elections to have their leaders removed.

inglor_cz 8mo ago

Not even Russia really wants Iran to have nuclear weapons and a rocket technology that can hit targets 3000 km+ distant, though they obviously wouldn't attack Iran over that problem. The Middle East is notoriously hard to predict and governments change, while the nuclear capability endures. Of all the countries that currently make any steps towards nuclear armament, Iran has by far the widest coalition of opponents.

hearsathought 8mo ago

Surely they will be sanctioning Israel like they sanctioned russia for attacking ukraine? After all aren't Canada and europe self proclaimed beacons of light?