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Do enjoy the moment while it lasts. Because the next ruler will be an American stooge. This isn't going anywhere, like the other "revolutions" in the middle eas

Do enjoy the moment while it lasts. Because the next ruler will be an American stooge. This isn't going anywhere, like the other "revolutions" in the middle east.

UltraSane 8mo ago
At least a sane stooge.
- Matl 8mo ago
  Yes, like the last one was, right?
- bonzini 8mo ago
  Like Saddam Hussein?
- mr_toad 8mo ago
  Was Saddam a sane stooge? The US (and before them the UK) meddling in middle eastern politics has always seemed like kicking a wasp nest.
sph 8mo ago
Henry Kissinger is looking up and smiling.
- wiseowise 8mo ago
  > Henry Kissinger is looking up and smiling. He's dea... oooh.
anovikov 8mo ago
What's wrong about it? This is the goal - like in Syria: neuter the country by bringing in a pro-American government that will ensure country will stay weak and irrelevant, in exchange for letting it terrorise locals as they please.
- ajsnigrutin 8mo ago
  Syria was an interesting one for me... Not in the typical american modus-operandi of destroying countries that are not american banana republics, but in actually supporting Al-Qaeda there... US is full of people who've lost family members, friends, their own limbs, have PTSD and worse from when they fought Al-Qaeda... and now their own politicians are shaking hands and taking photos with them. Then another shooting spree will happen and the media will be asking "what radicalized him?"..
TacticalCoder 8mo ago
> Because the next ruler will be an American stooge. And if that's the case, do you think that American stooge shall do worse than Khamenei who ordered his islamist guards to slaughter 30 000+ unarmed iranian protesters in a matter of days? What can be worse than religious extremist sending their fanatics into hospitals to finish the wounded? I'm in the EU and I see cars with iranian flags honking. Someone posted a video or iranians celebrating: not bearded men and veiled women (which is a sign of religious extremism: there are many muslims that do not have the islamist beard and many muslim women who aren't veiled) but regular people, celebrating. I don't doubt that many bearded men and veiled women are very sad today. But I side with the free iranians in exile who are celebrating what may be the end of four decades of sharia law ruling their country.
- throw0101c 8mo ago
  > And if that's the case, do you think that American stooge shall do worse than Khamenei who ordered his islamist guards to slaughter 30 000+ unarmed iranian protesters in a matter of days? American seemed to have been fine with 30k people disappearing in Argentina: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War While a smaller number, US seemed to have been fine with their then-friend Saddam Hussein gassing a whole bunch of Kurds: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_massacre The US stooges and friends have done all sorts of bad (maybe even worse) things in the past.
  - wiseowise 8mo ago
    > The US stooges and friends have done all sorts of bad (maybe even worse) things in the past. What kind of all sorts of bad did they do in the past while they ruled a country? Have they ever usurped throne for 36 years?
    - throw0101c 8mo ago
      > What kind of all sorts of bad did they do in the past while they ruled a country? Have they ever usurped throne for 36 years? To take the second quest first, and focus on Iran since it's the topic du jour: you mean like how the shah usurped power from the legislature with US/UK help and ruled for 38 years? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi And circling back to the first: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Imperial_State_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Imperial_S... Why do you think the 1979 Revolution happened in the first place? The people were tired of being repressed by an imperialist puppet: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution (Hello irony.)
lucasRW 8mo ago
This has nothing comparable with "other revolutions" in the middle east, it's quite the opposite in fact: a non-islamist population held under the tyranny of islamist leaders.
jojobas 8mo ago
So what, you'd take living under an American stooge's rule over a religious fanatic's any day.

Do enjoy the moment while it lasts. Because the next ruler will be an American stooge. This isn't going anywhere, like the other "revolutions" in the middle east.

UltraSane 8mo ago

At least a sane stooge.

Matl 8mo ago
Yes, like the last one was, right?
bonzini 8mo ago
Like Saddam Hussein?
mr_toad 8mo ago
Was Saddam a sane stooge? The US (and before them the UK) meddling in middle eastern politics has always seemed like kicking a wasp nest.

sph 8mo ago

Henry Kissinger is looking up and smiling.

wiseowise 8mo ago
> Henry Kissinger is looking up and smiling. He's dea... oooh.

anovikov 8mo ago

What's wrong about it? This is the goal - like in Syria: neuter the country by bringing in a pro-American government that will ensure country will stay weak and irrelevant, in exchange for letting it terrorise locals as they please.

ajsnigrutin 8mo ago
Syria was an interesting one for me... Not in the typical american modus-operandi of destroying countries that are not american banana republics, but in actually supporting Al-Qaeda there... US is full of people who've lost family members, friends, their own limbs, have PTSD and worse from when they fought Al-Qaeda... and now their own politicians are shaking hands and taking photos with them. Then another shooting spree will happen and the media will be asking "what radicalized him?"..

TacticalCoder 8mo ago

> Because the next ruler will be an American stooge. And if that's the case, do you think that American stooge shall do worse than Khamenei who ordered his islamist guards to slaughter 30 000+ unarmed iranian protesters in a matter of days? What can be worse than religious extremist sending their fanatics into hospitals to finish the wounded? I'm in the EU and I see cars with iranian flags honking. Someone posted a video or iranians celebrating: not bearded men and veiled women (which is a sign of religious extremism: there are many muslims that do not have the islamist beard and many muslim women who aren't veiled) but regular people, celebrating. I don't doubt that many bearded men and veiled women are very sad today. But I side with the free iranians in exile who are celebrating what may be the end of four decades of sharia law ruling their country.

throw0101c 8mo ago
> And if that's the case, do you think that American stooge shall do worse than Khamenei who ordered his islamist guards to slaughter 30 000+ unarmed iranian protesters in a matter of days? American seemed to have been fine with 30k people disappearing in Argentina: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War While a smaller number, US seemed to have been fine with their then-friend Saddam Hussein gassing a whole bunch of Kurds: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_massacre The US stooges and friends have done all sorts of bad (maybe even worse) things in the past.
- wiseowise 8mo ago
  > The US stooges and friends have done all sorts of bad (maybe even worse) things in the past. What kind of all sorts of bad did they do in the past while they ruled a country? Have they ever usurped throne for 36 years?
  - throw0101c 8mo ago
    > What kind of all sorts of bad did they do in the past while they ruled a country? Have they ever usurped throne for 36 years? To take the second quest first, and focus on Iran since it's the topic du jour: you mean like how the shah usurped power from the legislature with US/UK help and ruled for 38 years? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi And circling back to the first: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Imperial_State_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Imperial_S... Why do you think the 1979 Revolution happened in the first place? The people were tired of being repressed by an imperialist puppet: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution (Hello irony.)

lucasRW 8mo ago

This has nothing comparable with "other revolutions" in the middle east, it's quite the opposite in fact: a non-islamist population held under the tyranny of islamist leaders.

jojobas 8mo ago

So what, you'd take living under an American stooge's rule over a religious fanatic's any day.