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It's easy to excuse the collateral damage of people you will never meet, just remember that this reasoning has unleashed hell on Earth for countless innocent pe

It's easy to excuse the collateral damage of people you will never meet, just remember that this reasoning has unleashed hell on Earth for countless innocent people, many kids, and it makes you sound like a ghoul. Hope to hell that you or anyone you care about isn't on the receiving end of such sentiments.

khazhoux 8mo ago
It's not "easy" but it remains true. We can play the moral-decision game and I'll ask you whether killing one child is justified to save 5,000,000. If you answer "yes" then from that point it's just about agreeing on numbers.
- heavyset_go 8mo ago
  How many schools need to be blown up with children inside for you to say "Hey, maybe this didn't have to happen this way"
  - pinkmuffinere 8mo ago
    What is the alternative you propose? Just to give a hypothetical-but-realistic example, let’s presume that khamenei’s continued existence results in 100 civilian deaths per day. Under that assumption, what one-time cost would you accept to end his life?
    - elihu 8mo ago
      Whether or not one would accept deaths of civilians to get rid of Khamenei, I don't think anyone should accept a school full of children being blown up for no obvious reason. If there was somehow a reason why Khameni could not have killed without attacking that school, then those reasons should be plainly spelled out and evidence presented. As things stand with the limited information we have now, it just looks like a war crime with no strategic upside.
throwaway3060 8mo ago
I remember that the alternative has also unleashed hell on Earth for countless innocent people. At some point, you have to take the path that offers at least some hope for the future. To turn into something that has lost all hope - there is no fixing that.
- heavyset_go 8mo ago
  How does blowing up schools offer hope for the future?
  - throwaway3060 8mo ago
    I've been hearing the school strike was an Iranian misfire, actually.
  - lelanthran 8mo ago
    Theres pictures online confirming that it was an Iranian misfire that killed the school. Will you now redirect your outrage over innocent children to the incumbent Iranian government? Will you continue entering threads to signal your outrage to the world? Will you keep quiet, double down or practice the morals you claim to have?
    - roenxi 8mo ago
      While this is a minor point; whether or not it was an Iranian misfire doesn't move the moral responsibility away from the invaders. Unless the IRGC took advantage of the chaos to purposefully hit the school (seems unlikely) then the entire situation was teed up by the external aggression and can still pretty reasonably be blamed on them.
      - lelanthran 8mo ago
        Of course it does. If you try to shield your armed forces using children, and then accidentally kill them because you used them as a shield, you can't blame someone else.

khazhoux 8mo ago

It's not "easy" but it remains true. We can play the moral-decision game and I'll ask you whether killing one child is justified to save 5,000,000. If you answer "yes" then from that point it's just about agreeing on numbers.

heavyset_go 8mo ago
How many schools need to be blown up with children inside for you to say "Hey, maybe this didn't have to happen this way"
- pinkmuffinere 8mo ago
  What is the alternative you propose? Just to give a hypothetical-but-realistic example, let’s presume that khamenei’s continued existence results in 100 civilian deaths per day. Under that assumption, what one-time cost would you accept to end his life?
  - elihu 8mo ago
    Whether or not one would accept deaths of civilians to get rid of Khamenei, I don't think anyone should accept a school full of children being blown up for no obvious reason. If there was somehow a reason why Khameni could not have killed without attacking that school, then those reasons should be plainly spelled out and evidence presented. As things stand with the limited information we have now, it just looks like a war crime with no strategic upside.

throwaway3060 8mo ago

I remember that the alternative has also unleashed hell on Earth for countless innocent people. At some point, you have to take the path that offers at least some hope for the future. To turn into something that has lost all hope - there is no fixing that.

heavyset_go 8mo ago
How does blowing up schools offer hope for the future?
- throwaway3060 8mo ago
  I've been hearing the school strike was an Iranian misfire, actually.
- lelanthran 8mo ago
  Theres pictures online confirming that it was an Iranian misfire that killed the school. Will you now redirect your outrage over innocent children to the incumbent Iranian government? Will you continue entering threads to signal your outrage to the world? Will you keep quiet, double down or practice the morals you claim to have?
  - roenxi 8mo ago
    While this is a minor point; whether or not it was an Iranian misfire doesn't move the moral responsibility away from the invaders. Unless the IRGC took advantage of the chaos to purposefully hit the school (seems unlikely) then the entire situation was teed up by the external aggression and can still pretty reasonably be blamed on them.
    - lelanthran 8mo ago
      Of course it does. If you try to shield your armed forces using children, and then accidentally kill them because you used them as a shield, you can't blame someone else.