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There would likely be millions of Americans celebrating the murder of their current president, should that happen. It doesn't mean it's reasonable, right, just,

There would likely be millions of Americans celebrating the murder of their current president, should that happen. It doesn't mean it's reasonable, right, just, or civilized, nor would it indicate that it was a unanimously supported action.

TulliusCicero 7mo ago
But in the case of an actual dictator who murdered thousands of protestors it is reasonable, right, just, and civilized. Shed no tears for the deaths of tyrants. They would happily see you and any other threat to their illegitimate power put six feet under.
- LastTrain 7mo ago
  Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far. As he has told us countless times, he would like to be a dictator.
  - TulliusCicero 7mo ago
    Trump would very much like to be, no denying that, but he isn't there yet. Regardless, dictators deserve to be put into the ground no matter where they are.
    - bjourne 7mo ago
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      - thomassmith65 7mo ago
        My personal view is that most dictators deserve to be stuffed into a suitcase, loaded into a canon, and fired into the side of a climbing wall. I guess that makes me immoral. That said, for anything aside from a despotic world leader, I'm also against the death penalty.
        jasomill 7mo ago
        I'm opposed to the death penalty as well, but this has nothing to do with why I'd prefer despots be left to live in obscurity rather than die a relatively quick, painless, and public death. Sentence them to live alone and anonymously in an uncomfortable cell in an unremarkable prison without visitation, communication, or news of the outside world.
      - TulliusCicero 7mo ago
        In cases where it's feasible to do life in prison, I'm fine with that too. But for dictators, that's typically not realistic (Maduro notwithstanding). Better to kill them rather than let them continue killing others. I actually oppose the death penalty as a punishment for crimes, but for practical rather than principled reasons: I don't want innocent people (and there's always a chance of innocence) to be killed, and it's more expensive than life in prison anyway.
        thomassmith65 7mo ago
        Part of the reason I, like you, make an exception for world leaders is that it can be cathartic for the people who suffered under them. Of course, it depends on the circumstances. I'm not talking about giving Jimmy Carter the chair for failing to bring down inflation.
    - leptons 7mo ago
      He sure does act like a dictator, ruling by executive order. He sent the US military to operate on US soil, by executive order... so yes, he is very much a dictator right now.
      - dzhiurgis 7mo ago
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        bogdan 7mo ago
        Look around
        LadyCailin 7mo ago
        Ask any minority. Lest you think it will be limited to minorities though, ask Alex Pretti, or even ask the NRA what they think about Trump saying that if he didn’t want to get shot, he shouldn’t have been carrying a gun.
        jonathanstrange 7mo ago
        As an outside observer, I'd say it's by far not as bad as in Russia yet but they're heading towards a similar model. Due process has already been eroded, prosecution is more selective than ever, there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities, a large government-controlled police force arrests anyone they want to (including journalists), government-critical press is bought, sued, and intimidated, Congress is held in contempt, court orders are ignored, and the FBI works directly on behalf of the president. That being said, they've still got a long way to go.
        dzhiurgis 7mo ago
        So they are not even comparable. > there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities like what?
        jonathanstrange 7mo ago
        > So they are not even comparable. What a bizarre comment when I just compared them. >> there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities > like what? Among other minorities, they're going very strongly against transgender people and support groups and try to criminalize them. They're obsessed with transgender people for some reason. For example, Executive Order 14168, Executive Order 14183, Executive Order 14187, Executive Order 14190, Executive Order 14201, and by offering cash bounties to the FBI for "...information leading to the identification and arrest of transgender activists promoting 'radical gender ideology'."[Wikipedia] Pam Bondi described such activists as "domestic terrorist groups."[ibid] There is also a large initiative by the Heritage Foundation to make the FBI classify transgender people in general as domestic terrorists and introduce a new classification they call "Transgender Ideology-Inspired Violence and Extremism" (TIVE). Why they are so particularly violent against transgender people and so obsessed with that topic is a complex matter. I suppose their hatred for this tiny group is based on a mix of religious fanaticism, Elon Musk's direct influence on the US government, extremely insecure masculinity, the need of Fascism for inventing inner enemies (because it doesn't have any stringent ideology), and the fact that this group is so small and insignificant that they cannot possibly defend themselves - unlike the US gay community, who have a large lobby by now and include people like Peter Thiel.
  - IshKebab 7mo ago
    There's quite a difference between saying you would like to be a dictator and actually being one.
    - pixl97 7mo ago
      When you're in a position of power and doing dictator like things, not very much.
    - arunabha 7mo ago
      Most dictators are elected democratically, once. What makes them a dictator is them not relinquishing power. It's too late to protest after a dictator is officially a dictator. They know what will come and are usually prepared with an armed force loyal only to them. When the sitting president of the United states repeatedly states he would like to have an illegal third term, that elections are fraudulent and must be under his control, continually takes actions testing the limits of what he can get away with in terms of authoritarian behaviour, and only backs down temporarily when he faces massive backlash, you can forgive people for being alarmed.
  - drjasonharrison 7mo ago
    and murdered a bunch of Venezuelans, a bunch of non-citizens in the USA, collected from American companies and residents billions in tariffs... How about those Epstein files?
    - bsjaux628 7mo ago
      The death toll for the Venezuela raid is between 80 and 100, out of them only 10 were civilians. I feel bad for those 10 civilians but, for the rest, I feel no sympathy, as they were oppressors.
      - SanjayMehta 7mo ago
        Doesn't change the fact that it was a war crime. But hey, "rules based order," right?
      - goku12 7mo ago
        They killed nearly 100 Venezuelans at sea, accusing them of transporting drugs. To date, this regime has provided no evidence to corroborate those claims, in addition to the fact those were extra-judicial executions. We already knew that parts of their justificantions were false, especially the accusations against Venezuela of producing fentanyl. We also know that the US military committed war crimes at least once, when they blew up survivors of an initial bombing. Despite all these, Trump and his goon squad were seemingly quite pleased and joking about it. It's splendidly evident that they assign zero value to lives outside of their goon circle. That extends to every non-whites, political opponents and even women/girls who suffered sexual crimes. There are zero reasons to assume this regime's victims, except for known tyrants like Maduro and Khameini, to be guilty at all. The regime has zero credibility when it comes to human rights. So those fishermen were most likely innocent victims and not drug smugglers. In addition to all this, don't assume that this US attacks on Iran were because of his love and benevolence for the Iranian civilians. If it were so, he wouldn't have provoked the Iranian regime to crackdown on the protestors and kill around 30K of them. That farce was unnecessary for the liberation of Iran. Instead, he used them to create an excuse to carry out an attack that they had already planned. So, as much as I understand the Iranians' joy in seeing the end of Khameini, I strongly suspect that this is just the beginning of another authoritarian regime over there, controlled remotely by the US regime this time, just as we see in Venezuela. Expect everything from human rights violations to mass scale plunder of their natural resources. All that we see now are just ploys to establish a worldwide neocolonial order under a very racist and xenophobic regime operating from the US. Let me remind you of the meme that this orange dictator posted that shows Canada, Venezuela and Greenland as part of the US territory. I don't see this end well for any civilians on this planet, including US citizens.
  - TulliusCicero 7mo ago
    Yes, and if he actually becomes a dictator, I'd shed no tears for him being removed by force.
    - goku12 7mo ago
      "if" he actually becomes a dictator? When is that? When he declares himself the supreme dictator of the US? Or when he nukes another nation because of his racism? Look around and compare with the Nazis. There is already the demonization and dehumanization of a large demographic group. There are concentration camps and extralegal police forces around already. Just like in Nazi extermination camps, the people who disappear into these ICE facilities are near impossible to trace again. There are already fatalities in there from inhumane living conditions, very bad food, lack of medical care and occasional premeditated murders. Even among the civilians, they see differently abled people as a burden, just as the Nazis did. Just as in Nazi Germany, there is an expansion of military power at the expense of the civilians and flouting of international laws. And just as in Nazi Germany, smart people who can see the writing on the wall are already on a mass exodus. If you still believe that you're in a democracy, you forgot what happened on Jan 6, 2021. Their ego is too fragile to accept anything except their victory. There is zero chance that the despots will risk getting impeached, trialed and punished by the Congress and face the severe consequences of absolutely horrendous stuff they've committed so far. Even if the public opinion is overwhelmingly hostile towards them, they'll just claim election fraud. They have started efforts for that on multiple fronts with truly bizzare incidents being reported. And let's talk about the BIG massive elephant in the oval office (besides the obvious one). Trump is NOT the main character, even though I'm sure that he doesn't know that. Look at what their mouthpieces are saying, their dubious billionaire friends are doing and their unelected psycho-minions are pulling off. This isn't just a dictatorship. This is a multi-generational authoritarian regime with clear succession plans. You're all distracted by just the beginning of a long chain of misery. And the beginning isn't even the worst. This is one thing where this regime is unlike the Nazis or the Fascists. Those regimes were controlled by the figure head who formed it - making them vulnerable to decapitation. This one is acting more like a secret society that puts someone in the front to act as their symbolic figure head. Removing the figure head isn't going to end the regime. You're waiting for an imaginary signal when every alarm around you is screaming at you. The time for 'if' is long gone. That ship sailed a while ago.
  - thfuran 7mo ago
    >Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far Over a million people in the US died of COVID. It's impossible to know exactly how many of them would've lived if the pandemic started under a president with a saner response than recommending injecting disinfectant, but I'm willing to bet it's more than two.
    - Uhhrrr 7mo ago
      Look at the number of covid deaths in countries other than the US and consider updating your news diet.
      - arunabha 7mo ago
        You do realize that the US had _one of the highest_ per capita Covid deaths amongst developed nations?
        wqaatwt 7mo ago
        US has one of the unhealthiest populations amongst developed countries too, so maybe it’s not that surprising.
        Ray20 7mo ago
        The correlation between mortality and body mass index is striking.
        ZeroGravitas 7mo ago
        Maybe the President should have taken that into account when lying publicly about the impacts that he admitted in private conversation, or mocking and undermining expert advice?
        temp8830 7mo ago
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  - ETH_start 7mo ago
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  - pvaldes 7mo ago
    Add to this list the two children and an adult unnecessary killed by measles in Texas and New Mexico in 2025 after the disinformation campaign aiming to save the government a few dollars.
- ignoramous 7mo ago
  You did the "our blessed homeland" meme: https://xcancel.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888 https://xcancel.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888 / https://archive.vn/gAkNA https://archive.vn/gAkNA
  - TulliusCicero 7mo ago
    If Trump became an actual tyrant instead of a wannabe one, I'd shed no tears for him being "removed" either.
- stavros 7mo ago
  I can feel OK about Khamenei dying and still worry about what it means that the US can just murder anyone in the world just because.
  - TulliusCicero 7mo ago
    "Just because they're a brutal dictator who murdered thousands of people." Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of other reasons to be skeptical of American military adventurism, but killing this one guy in particular really isn't one of them.
    - LastTrain 7mo ago
      Of the several reasons Trump has given for doing this so far, which one do you believe?
thisislife2 7mo ago
Exactly. This is just western media trying to project some morality to what was an internationally illegal act ... (and perhaps some in the media hoping against hope this publicity would please the dear, glorious leaders of Israel and the US to end the war).
- flyinglizard 7mo ago
  International law being thrown around a lot. Seems like everyone is an int’l law expert, even though it’s quite an exotic speciality. So please go ahead and tell me, where does International Law prohibit a state that’s at war with another to assassinate its head of state?
  - sssilver 7mo ago
    Preventive war (attacking to neutralize a future, non-imminent threat) is considered illegal under modern international law. The UN Charter restricts the use of force to UN Security Council authorization or self-defense against an actual, imminent armed attack, making preventive actions, which target potential future dangers, unlawful.
    - flyinglizard 7mo ago
      Israel and Iran are involved in active hostilities for a long time now, direct or by proxies. Furthermore, US and Israel are making the case for a preemptive war with the advent of the Iranian nuclear program (whether you believe it or not, that’s beside the point), and those are legal.
    - jasomill 7mo ago
      It also allows any one of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, including the US, to unilateraly veto any binding resolution that imposes sanctions for violating said law, with no established rules or even informal expectations that they recuse themselves when conflicts of interest arise.
  - wqaatwt 7mo ago
bambax 7mo ago
Not just Americans.
worldsavior 7mo ago
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- scuppernong 7mo ago
  Your worldview is not an appropriate substitute for objective reality :)
- stavros 7mo ago
  Wait, Trump didn't kill any US citizen? Have we been watching the same news?
- Natfan 7mo ago
  renee goode, alex pretti
cameldrv 7mo ago
Perhaps, but there would be tens/hundreds of millions of people like me who didn't vote for Trump and don't like him, but would be absolutely enraged beyond perhaps anything in this country's history if another country blew up the White House and he was killed.
- tastyface 7mo ago
  Well, I imagine there are a lot of people like that in Iran right now.
  - bluGill 7mo ago
    There are. There are also a lot who are celebrating in iran. In the us people who voted against trump accept he won and still believe his term will end as scheduled.
    - sieabahlpark 7mo ago
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- anon291 7mo ago
  Most Americans would. No fan of Trump but he is the duly elected president of the United States and has not done anything particularly egregious.
throwawayheui57 7mo ago
They threw the justice and civility when they murdered people on the street. That ship has sailed and the party who's responsible for this escalation is the government.
- joshstrange 7mo ago
  It’s sad that I can’t be sure which government you are talking about right now, Iran or the USA. I’m aware the scale of “murdered people on the street” is stark and so you are almost certainly talking about Iran but what ICE is doing (and the clear extrapolation) fits your comment IMHO.
  - sieabahlpark 7mo ago
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avoutos 7mo ago
Well, there are other things you can look at. For one, Khamenei was dictator of a regime that abducts women and recently murdered 10s of thousands of protesters in the streets. I'd reckon most, including Iranians, would not judge the killing of such an individual immoral, unjust or uncivilized.
- underlipton 7mo ago
  I don't know whether I'm "kidding" or not, but I might as well post what immediately came to mind as I read this: Sandra Bland et al. ICE detainments The excess 20k (as far as absolute numbers go) road fatalities in the US versus Iran. And the excess I-have-no-idea-how-many-k who died under Trump's bungled COVID response (and who are going to die from Biden's bungled rail strike response)(and who died under Obama's failed healthcare half-measure)(and who died under Bush's bungled Katrina response and because of his pre-9/11 mismanagement). Yes, yes, per-capita and all that. I'm not really making a rational argument here, just appealing to the truthiness of noticing that America has its own way of killing its citizens.
  - twoodfin 7mo ago
    Rail strike response casualties? Can you flesh that out a bit?
    - underlipton 7mo ago
      Everything that has and will happen due to poor working conditions after he broke the rail strike in 2022. The cause celebre was the East Palestine derailment, but conditions are still unconscionable, and it's hard to conceive of a situation where rail laborers are overworked and under-supported doesn't result in more, and worse, incidents like that one. And then, of course, there are the knock-on environmental and economic effects. It's not the only objectionable thing Biden's administration is solely responsible for, just the one that came to mind.
  - throwaway2037 7mo ago
    > because of his pre-9/11 mismanagement I'm not here to defend GW Bush. He did many stupid things. But I don't recall a lot of criticism around his "pre-9/11 mismanagement". Can you offer some specifics? The hunt for Osama Bin Laden started (at least) with Clinton and continued with GW Bush. Unfortunately, neither was able to stop him before the 9/11 attacks.
jatari 7mo ago
The entire continent of europe would be celebrating.
- danielxt 7mo ago
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  - mda 7mo ago
    Overrun by muslims? Complete BS. I checked what he said, I don't see anything absurd, what are you talking about?
  - pferde 7mo ago
    Wow, this comment is so bigoted and xenophobic, I don't even know where to begin. First of all, we're far from being "overrun by muslims". And equating following Islamic faith with being supportive of Khomenei's regime is like saying all Christians support Trump's dictatorship. Be better than this.
  - swiftcoder 7mo ago
    You do know muslims arrived in Spain when they occupied it in the 8th century, right? It's not like they just arrived here recently. Most people in Spain today have muslim ancestry.

TulliusCicero 7mo ago

But in the case of an actual dictator who murdered thousands of protestors it is reasonable, right, just, and civilized. Shed no tears for the deaths of tyrants. They would happily see you and any other threat to their illegitimate power put six feet under.

LastTrain 7mo ago
Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far. As he has told us countless times, he would like to be a dictator.
- TulliusCicero 7mo ago
  Trump would very much like to be, no denying that, but he isn't there yet. Regardless, dictators deserve to be put into the ground no matter where they are.
  - bjourne 7mo ago
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    - thomassmith65 7mo ago
      My personal view is that most dictators deserve to be stuffed into a suitcase, loaded into a canon, and fired into the side of a climbing wall. I guess that makes me immoral. That said, for anything aside from a despotic world leader, I'm also against the death penalty.
      - jasomill 7mo ago
        I'm opposed to the death penalty as well, but this has nothing to do with why I'd prefer despots be left to live in obscurity rather than die a relatively quick, painless, and public death. Sentence them to live alone and anonymously in an uncomfortable cell in an unremarkable prison without visitation, communication, or news of the outside world.
    - TulliusCicero 7mo ago
      In cases where it's feasible to do life in prison, I'm fine with that too. But for dictators, that's typically not realistic (Maduro notwithstanding). Better to kill them rather than let them continue killing others. I actually oppose the death penalty as a punishment for crimes, but for practical rather than principled reasons: I don't want innocent people (and there's always a chance of innocence) to be killed, and it's more expensive than life in prison anyway.
      - thomassmith65 7mo ago
        Part of the reason I, like you, make an exception for world leaders is that it can be cathartic for the people who suffered under them. Of course, it depends on the circumstances. I'm not talking about giving Jimmy Carter the chair for failing to bring down inflation.
  - leptons 7mo ago
    He sure does act like a dictator, ruling by executive order. He sent the US military to operate on US soil, by executive order... so yes, he is very much a dictator right now.
    - dzhiurgis 7mo ago
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      - bogdan 7mo ago
        Look around
      - LadyCailin 7mo ago
        Ask any minority. Lest you think it will be limited to minorities though, ask Alex Pretti, or even ask the NRA what they think about Trump saying that if he didn’t want to get shot, he shouldn’t have been carrying a gun.
      - jonathanstrange 7mo ago
        As an outside observer, I'd say it's by far not as bad as in Russia yet but they're heading towards a similar model. Due process has already been eroded, prosecution is more selective than ever, there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities, a large government-controlled police force arrests anyone they want to (including journalists), government-critical press is bought, sued, and intimidated, Congress is held in contempt, court orders are ignored, and the FBI works directly on behalf of the president. That being said, they've still got a long way to go.
        dzhiurgis 7mo ago
        So they are not even comparable. > there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities like what?
        jonathanstrange 7mo ago
        > So they are not even comparable. What a bizarre comment when I just compared them. >> there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities > like what? Among other minorities, they're going very strongly against transgender people and support groups and try to criminalize them. They're obsessed with transgender people for some reason. For example, Executive Order 14168, Executive Order 14183, Executive Order 14187, Executive Order 14190, Executive Order 14201, and by offering cash bounties to the FBI for "...information leading to the identification and arrest of transgender activists promoting 'radical gender ideology'."[Wikipedia] Pam Bondi described such activists as "domestic terrorist groups."[ibid] There is also a large initiative by the Heritage Foundation to make the FBI classify transgender people in general as domestic terrorists and introduce a new classification they call "Transgender Ideology-Inspired Violence and Extremism" (TIVE). Why they are so particularly violent against transgender people and so obsessed with that topic is a complex matter. I suppose their hatred for this tiny group is based on a mix of religious fanaticism, Elon Musk's direct influence on the US government, extremely insecure masculinity, the need of Fascism for inventing inner enemies (because it doesn't have any stringent ideology), and the fact that this group is so small and insignificant that they cannot possibly defend themselves - unlike the US gay community, who have a large lobby by now and include people like Peter Thiel.
- IshKebab 7mo ago
  There's quite a difference between saying you would like to be a dictator and actually being one.
  - pixl97 7mo ago
    When you're in a position of power and doing dictator like things, not very much.
  - arunabha 7mo ago
    Most dictators are elected democratically, once. What makes them a dictator is them not relinquishing power. It's too late to protest after a dictator is officially a dictator. They know what will come and are usually prepared with an armed force loyal only to them. When the sitting president of the United states repeatedly states he would like to have an illegal third term, that elections are fraudulent and must be under his control, continually takes actions testing the limits of what he can get away with in terms of authoritarian behaviour, and only backs down temporarily when he faces massive backlash, you can forgive people for being alarmed.
- drjasonharrison 7mo ago
  and murdered a bunch of Venezuelans, a bunch of non-citizens in the USA, collected from American companies and residents billions in tariffs... How about those Epstein files?
  - bsjaux628 7mo ago
    The death toll for the Venezuela raid is between 80 and 100, out of them only 10 were civilians. I feel bad for those 10 civilians but, for the rest, I feel no sympathy, as they were oppressors.
    - SanjayMehta 7mo ago
      Doesn't change the fact that it was a war crime. But hey, "rules based order," right?
    - goku12 7mo ago
      They killed nearly 100 Venezuelans at sea, accusing them of transporting drugs. To date, this regime has provided no evidence to corroborate those claims, in addition to the fact those were extra-judicial executions. We already knew that parts of their justificantions were false, especially the accusations against Venezuela of producing fentanyl. We also know that the US military committed war crimes at least once, when they blew up survivors of an initial bombing. Despite all these, Trump and his goon squad were seemingly quite pleased and joking about it. It's splendidly evident that they assign zero value to lives outside of their goon circle. That extends to every non-whites, political opponents and even women/girls who suffered sexual crimes. There are zero reasons to assume this regime's victims, except for known tyrants like Maduro and Khameini, to be guilty at all. The regime has zero credibility when it comes to human rights. So those fishermen were most likely innocent victims and not drug smugglers. In addition to all this, don't assume that this US attacks on Iran were because of his love and benevolence for the Iranian civilians. If it were so, he wouldn't have provoked the Iranian regime to crackdown on the protestors and kill around 30K of them. That farce was unnecessary for the liberation of Iran. Instead, he used them to create an excuse to carry out an attack that they had already planned. So, as much as I understand the Iranians' joy in seeing the end of Khameini, I strongly suspect that this is just the beginning of another authoritarian regime over there, controlled remotely by the US regime this time, just as we see in Venezuela. Expect everything from human rights violations to mass scale plunder of their natural resources. All that we see now are just ploys to establish a worldwide neocolonial order under a very racist and xenophobic regime operating from the US. Let me remind you of the meme that this orange dictator posted that shows Canada, Venezuela and Greenland as part of the US territory. I don't see this end well for any civilians on this planet, including US citizens.
- TulliusCicero 7mo ago
  Yes, and if he actually becomes a dictator, I'd shed no tears for him being removed by force.
  - goku12 7mo ago
    "if" he actually becomes a dictator? When is that? When he declares himself the supreme dictator of the US? Or when he nukes another nation because of his racism? Look around and compare with the Nazis. There is already the demonization and dehumanization of a large demographic group. There are concentration camps and extralegal police forces around already. Just like in Nazi extermination camps, the people who disappear into these ICE facilities are near impossible to trace again. There are already fatalities in there from inhumane living conditions, very bad food, lack of medical care and occasional premeditated murders. Even among the civilians, they see differently abled people as a burden, just as the Nazis did. Just as in Nazi Germany, there is an expansion of military power at the expense of the civilians and flouting of international laws. And just as in Nazi Germany, smart people who can see the writing on the wall are already on a mass exodus. If you still believe that you're in a democracy, you forgot what happened on Jan 6, 2021. Their ego is too fragile to accept anything except their victory. There is zero chance that the despots will risk getting impeached, trialed and punished by the Congress and face the severe consequences of absolutely horrendous stuff they've committed so far. Even if the public opinion is overwhelmingly hostile towards them, they'll just claim election fraud. They have started efforts for that on multiple fronts with truly bizzare incidents being reported. And let's talk about the BIG massive elephant in the oval office (besides the obvious one). Trump is NOT the main character, even though I'm sure that he doesn't know that. Look at what their mouthpieces are saying, their dubious billionaire friends are doing and their unelected psycho-minions are pulling off. This isn't just a dictatorship. This is a multi-generational authoritarian regime with clear succession plans. You're all distracted by just the beginning of a long chain of misery. And the beginning isn't even the worst. This is one thing where this regime is unlike the Nazis or the Fascists. Those regimes were controlled by the figure head who formed it - making them vulnerable to decapitation. This one is acting more like a secret society that puts someone in the front to act as their symbolic figure head. Removing the figure head isn't going to end the regime. You're waiting for an imaginary signal when every alarm around you is screaming at you. The time for 'if' is long gone. That ship sailed a while ago.
- thfuran 7mo ago
  >Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far Over a million people in the US died of COVID. It's impossible to know exactly how many of them would've lived if the pandemic started under a president with a saner response than recommending injecting disinfectant, but I'm willing to bet it's more than two.
  - Uhhrrr 7mo ago
    Look at the number of covid deaths in countries other than the US and consider updating your news diet.
    - arunabha 7mo ago
      You do realize that the US had _one of the highest_ per capita Covid deaths amongst developed nations?
      - wqaatwt 7mo ago
        US has one of the unhealthiest populations amongst developed countries too, so maybe it’s not that surprising.
      - Ray20 7mo ago
        The correlation between mortality and body mass index is striking.
        ZeroGravitas 7mo ago
        Maybe the President should have taken that into account when lying publicly about the impacts that he admitted in private conversation, or mocking and undermining expert advice?
        temp8830 7mo ago
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- ETH_start 7mo ago
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- pvaldes 7mo ago
  Add to this list the two children and an adult unnecessary killed by measles in Texas and New Mexico in 2025 after the disinformation campaign aiming to save the government a few dollars.
ignoramous 7mo ago
You did the "our blessed homeland" meme: https://xcancel.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888 https://xcancel.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888 / https://archive.vn/gAkNA https://archive.vn/gAkNA
- TulliusCicero 7mo ago
  If Trump became an actual tyrant instead of a wannabe one, I'd shed no tears for him being "removed" either.
stavros 7mo ago
I can feel OK about Khamenei dying and still worry about what it means that the US can just murder anyone in the world just because.
- TulliusCicero 7mo ago
  "Just because they're a brutal dictator who murdered thousands of people." Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of other reasons to be skeptical of American military adventurism, but killing this one guy in particular really isn't one of them.
  - LastTrain 7mo ago
    Of the several reasons Trump has given for doing this so far, which one do you believe?

thisislife2 7mo ago

Exactly. This is just western media trying to project some morality to what was an internationally illegal act ... (and perhaps some in the media hoping against hope this publicity would please the dear, glorious leaders of Israel and the US to end the war).

flyinglizard 7mo ago
International law being thrown around a lot. Seems like everyone is an int’l law expert, even though it’s quite an exotic speciality. So please go ahead and tell me, where does International Law prohibit a state that’s at war with another to assassinate its head of state?
- sssilver 7mo ago
  Preventive war (attacking to neutralize a future, non-imminent threat) is considered illegal under modern international law. The UN Charter restricts the use of force to UN Security Council authorization or self-defense against an actual, imminent armed attack, making preventive actions, which target potential future dangers, unlawful.
  - flyinglizard 7mo ago
    Israel and Iran are involved in active hostilities for a long time now, direct or by proxies. Furthermore, US and Israel are making the case for a preemptive war with the advent of the Iranian nuclear program (whether you believe it or not, that’s beside the point), and those are legal.
  - jasomill 7mo ago
    It also allows any one of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, including the US, to unilateraly veto any binding resolution that imposes sanctions for violating said law, with no established rules or even informal expectations that they recuse themselves when conflicts of interest arise.
- wqaatwt 7mo ago

bambax 7mo ago

Not just Americans.

worldsavior 7mo ago

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scuppernong 7mo ago
Your worldview is not an appropriate substitute for objective reality :)
stavros 7mo ago
Wait, Trump didn't kill any US citizen? Have we been watching the same news?
Natfan 7mo ago
renee goode, alex pretti

cameldrv 7mo ago

Perhaps, but there would be tens/hundreds of millions of people like me who didn't vote for Trump and don't like him, but would be absolutely enraged beyond perhaps anything in this country's history if another country blew up the White House and he was killed.

tastyface 7mo ago
Well, I imagine there are a lot of people like that in Iran right now.
- bluGill 7mo ago
  There are. There are also a lot who are celebrating in iran. In the us people who voted against trump accept he won and still believe his term will end as scheduled.
  - sieabahlpark 7mo ago
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anon291 7mo ago
Most Americans would. No fan of Trump but he is the duly elected president of the United States and has not done anything particularly egregious.

throwawayheui57 7mo ago

They threw the justice and civility when they murdered people on the street. That ship has sailed and the party who's responsible for this escalation is the government.

joshstrange 7mo ago
It’s sad that I can’t be sure which government you are talking about right now, Iran or the USA. I’m aware the scale of “murdered people on the street” is stark and so you are almost certainly talking about Iran but what ICE is doing (and the clear extrapolation) fits your comment IMHO.
- sieabahlpark 7mo ago
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avoutos 7mo ago

Well, there are other things you can look at. For one, Khamenei was dictator of a regime that abducts women and recently murdered 10s of thousands of protesters in the streets. I'd reckon most, including Iranians, would not judge the killing of such an individual immoral, unjust or uncivilized.

underlipton 7mo ago
I don't know whether I'm "kidding" or not, but I might as well post what immediately came to mind as I read this: Sandra Bland et al. ICE detainments The excess 20k (as far as absolute numbers go) road fatalities in the US versus Iran. And the excess I-have-no-idea-how-many-k who died under Trump's bungled COVID response (and who are going to die from Biden's bungled rail strike response)(and who died under Obama's failed healthcare half-measure)(and who died under Bush's bungled Katrina response and because of his pre-9/11 mismanagement). Yes, yes, per-capita and all that. I'm not really making a rational argument here, just appealing to the truthiness of noticing that America has its own way of killing its citizens.
- twoodfin 7mo ago
  Rail strike response casualties? Can you flesh that out a bit?
  - underlipton 7mo ago
    Everything that has and will happen due to poor working conditions after he broke the rail strike in 2022. The cause celebre was the East Palestine derailment, but conditions are still unconscionable, and it's hard to conceive of a situation where rail laborers are overworked and under-supported doesn't result in more, and worse, incidents like that one. And then, of course, there are the knock-on environmental and economic effects. It's not the only objectionable thing Biden's administration is solely responsible for, just the one that came to mind.
- throwaway2037 7mo ago
  > because of his pre-9/11 mismanagement I'm not here to defend GW Bush. He did many stupid things. But I don't recall a lot of criticism around his "pre-9/11 mismanagement". Can you offer some specifics? The hunt for Osama Bin Laden started (at least) with Clinton and continued with GW Bush. Unfortunately, neither was able to stop him before the 9/11 attacks.

jatari 7mo ago

The entire continent of europe would be celebrating.

danielxt 7mo ago
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- mda 7mo ago
  Overrun by muslims? Complete BS. I checked what he said, I don't see anything absurd, what are you talking about?
- pferde 7mo ago
  Wow, this comment is so bigoted and xenophobic, I don't even know where to begin. First of all, we're far from being "overrun by muslims". And equating following Islamic faith with being supportive of Khomenei's regime is like saying all Christians support Trump's dictatorship. Be better than this.
- swiftcoder 7mo ago
  You do know muslims arrived in Spain when they occupied it in the 8th century, right? It's not like they just arrived here recently. Most people in Spain today have muslim ancestry.