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> My point is, Ukraine war and the way it evolved shows that not having nukes is a bad position. Israel (allegedly? idk) has nukes. Did it stop October 7th? Di

> My point is, Ukraine war and the way it evolved shows that not having nukes is a bad position. Israel (allegedly? idk) has nukes. Did it stop October 7th? Did it stop Iran from firing ballistic missiles? The war of today is not an open war (the war in Ukraine did not start on February 24 2022, but in 2014) where nuclear deterrence matters. Nuke will never help if the war is waged through proxies.

kdheiwns 7mo ago
To be fair, nuking a piece of land that you claim you own and is also just a few miles away and downwind of your own citizens is a fairly difficult thing to do. Nukes are a great deterrent when it's a place at least 100 miles from your borders, and better if even farther. They're useless in your own backyard.
- amelius 7mo ago
  That's probably not the main reason. Citing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47157393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47157393 > I've spoken with engineers who worked on nuclear weapons systems, the consensus is that the public is deeply misinformed about how they work, the dangers, and the implications of weapons being used. (...) > The biggest danger of a nuclear weapon is being hit by flying debris. > Fusion airburst bombs of the modern era are incredibly clean and radiation is only a risk in a very small area (tens of miles) for a short time (days to weeks). (...)
  - kdheiwns 7mo ago
    Your own quotes contradict you. Gaza isn't even 10 miles wide. If nukes are safe from over 10s of miles away, then nuking Gaza would without a doubt endanger Israel since there's no place they could irradiate that would be sufficiently far from them. Plus if Israel thinks it's fine to use them, then countries that don't like Israel will be glad to get that approval to go ahead with using their own
    - amelius 7mo ago
      > Plus if Israel thinks it's fine to use them, then countries that don't like Israel will be glad to get that approval to go ahead with using their own Now you're getting closer to the real reason ...

kdheiwns 7mo ago

To be fair, nuking a piece of land that you claim you own and is also just a few miles away and downwind of your own citizens is a fairly difficult thing to do. Nukes are a great deterrent when it's a place at least 100 miles from your borders, and better if even farther. They're useless in your own backyard.

amelius 7mo ago
That's probably not the main reason. Citing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47157393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47157393 > I've spoken with engineers who worked on nuclear weapons systems, the consensus is that the public is deeply misinformed about how they work, the dangers, and the implications of weapons being used. (...) > The biggest danger of a nuclear weapon is being hit by flying debris. > Fusion airburst bombs of the modern era are incredibly clean and radiation is only a risk in a very small area (tens of miles) for a short time (days to weeks). (...)
- kdheiwns 7mo ago
  Your own quotes contradict you. Gaza isn't even 10 miles wide. If nukes are safe from over 10s of miles away, then nuking Gaza would without a doubt endanger Israel since there's no place they could irradiate that would be sufficiently far from them. Plus if Israel thinks it's fine to use them, then countries that don't like Israel will be glad to get that approval to go ahead with using their own
  - amelius 7mo ago
    > Plus if Israel thinks it's fine to use them, then countries that don't like Israel will be glad to get that approval to go ahead with using their own Now you're getting closer to the real reason ...