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Because I’d have been used as a cannon fodder in the war in Ukraine. And then you’d criticize me for being a Russian soldier. Anyway your argument is bad in mu

Because I’d have been used as a cannon fodder in the war in Ukraine. And then you’d criticize me for being a Russian soldier. Anyway your argument is bad in multiple layers, I don’t have any other passport and I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do

JasonADrury 7mo ago
> I don’t have any other passport You don't need one, it is very easy to emigrate to many western countries as an Israeli passport holder. There's also a chance you qualify for one of the EU citizenship schemes for jewish descendants. You don't have to choose to live in an apartheid state. At least if you only held a Russian passport you could plausibly claim that it's somewhat difficult to move anywhere nice. > I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do I guess that makes it better. Truly, a shining example of Israeli moral superiority. I can easily find ownership records going back more than 500 years for the land I live on. Odds are it'd be trivial to go even further. What about the land you live on? Who owned it 100 years ago and how'd it end up in your possession? How do you think those records would tend to look in Israel? What kind of stories do you think they would tell? Would it be a good look for Israeli people?
- null_deref 7mo ago
  Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here
  - JasonADrury 7mo ago
    >Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I hope this particularly weak whataboutism helps you feel better about your indefensible moral position. > fight for the values of this country from here Apartheid being one of the core values worth fighting for, apparently.
    - null_deref 7mo ago
      Haha you literally asking me to leave my roots and friends and family and I have a weak arguments? Your arguments detached from reality. I cut my salary to be involved politically, I believe in a future of peace. You can rest assured I engage in what’s right far more than you
      - JasonADrury 7mo ago
        > I believe in a future of peace What does that look like to you? I'm sure Hamas would say the same, it's just about how that peace is reached and how it looks like in the end. The typical Israeli vision of peace isn't any better than the typical Palestinian vision of peace.
        null_deref 7mo ago
        I’m not a politician nor all the information is available to me on what can be done and what not My moral compass says the following - 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements 2. Creating a situation were any Palestinian can live respectfully, feed their family and get education From there state decision should be far more easier.
        cultofmetatron 7mo ago
        > 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements perfectly reasonable ask. 3 years ago, I would have been perfectly fine if they demonstrated interest in that. Instead we have people like Ben gvir openly spout ethnosupremacist vitriol that would make hitler blush. Now my instagram is full of that man touring prisons where he brags about executing people who clearly show signs of torture. (and this is what they are COMFORTABLE SHOWING) between that and his approval ratings (60% of israelis want to relocate Palestinians somewhere else Its clear that the whole society is rotten from the top down. frankly, I just want this madness to end.
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
  - cultofmetatron 7mo ago
    > I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here The nazis justified the holocaust as a "defense of their values" as well.
    - null_deref 7mo ago
      Nazi values are not my values, nor is any sort of death
      - cultofmetatron 7mo ago
        I can't commment on your values because I don't know you but I can confidently say that zionist values are nazi values. Just listen to your own government leaders like Ben gvir or likund writings. literally word for word sounds like something Hitler and leaders of the nazi party would have said with [search replace arayan -> jew.] here's some quotes. please tell me, hitler or gvir "We have to speak honestly. That there are many, many ___ – I didn't say all the ___, but a lot of __ who are not loyal to the ____. Undoubtedly, their vote is endangering ____, … Any normal country would not let them vote. Unfortunately, we are allowing hundreds of thousands of people who are disloyal to ____ to vote in the elections... " "I am unequivocally against executing the ____ murderer of ____ and in favor of killing the ____ murderers of _____" "There are many ____ who are disloyal and those who are not loyal should not be here.""
        null_deref 7mo ago
        Marine La Pen has almost won the elections in France? Is all French society rotten?
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        I rather dislike her, but on it's worst day a Marine Le Pen-led government in France wouldn't even come close to doing anything nearly as bad as Israel does every day.
- null_deref 7mo ago
  The entire continent of North America changed hands in the last 250 years many European lands changed hands in the last 150 years, some Israeli lands changed hands in the last 80 years, why should only we open our records?
  - JasonADrury 7mo ago
    The Palestinian people exist and have very real and justified grievances. There's hardly anything comparable in Europe.
    - null_deref 7mo ago
      Ok, I’m for building them a better future, we’re on agreement in that
      - JasonADrury 7mo ago
        Do you disagree that there's a good chance that by choosing to live and pay taxes in Israel you're going to have a net negative effect on the future of the Palestinians over your lifetime?
        null_deref 7mo ago
        You hold me to inhuman standards you do not uphold in your personal life. The current government is bad for me and bad for the Palestinians I strive for a better one, and I’m here to stay
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        I absolutely do hold myself to the same standards of not living and paying taxes in Israel.
        null_deref 7mo ago
        Thanks god, what a contribution to the world! Hope you having a nice time in this historic tiny minuscule moment of peace your continent is having, while you sit on an economy based on generations that robbed entire continents naked and then benefited from child labor of those continents! But in this tiny point of peace you don’t dedicate any portion of your life to help 3rd world countries or any global causes like the environment But tell me to move one of your countries that have right wing parties rising in the polls because some tiny percent of your population became Muslim. You will watch with me your politicians throw away this high morality you hold the second a Russian missile hit the ground in Western Europe and you with them
- halflife 7mo ago
  My grand grandparent had a factory and a mansion in Poland , which was stolen by the nazis. My family moved with 0 assets to Israel to rebuild themselves. Will you please pay me the sum lost with dividends so I can return to Poland?

JasonADrury 7mo ago

> I don’t have any other passport You don't need one, it is very easy to emigrate to many western countries as an Israeli passport holder. There's also a chance you qualify for one of the EU citizenship schemes for jewish descendants. You don't have to choose to live in an apartheid state. At least if you only held a Russian passport you could plausibly claim that it's somewhat difficult to move anywhere nice. > I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do I guess that makes it better. Truly, a shining example of Israeli moral superiority. I can easily find ownership records going back more than 500 years for the land I live on. Odds are it'd be trivial to go even further. What about the land you live on? Who owned it 100 years ago and how'd it end up in your possession? How do you think those records would tend to look in Israel? What kind of stories do you think they would tell? Would it be a good look for Israeli people?

null_deref 7mo ago
Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here
- JasonADrury 7mo ago
  >Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I hope this particularly weak whataboutism helps you feel better about your indefensible moral position. > fight for the values of this country from here Apartheid being one of the core values worth fighting for, apparently.
  - null_deref 7mo ago
    Haha you literally asking me to leave my roots and friends and family and I have a weak arguments? Your arguments detached from reality. I cut my salary to be involved politically, I believe in a future of peace. You can rest assured I engage in what’s right far more than you
    - JasonADrury 7mo ago
      > I believe in a future of peace What does that look like to you? I'm sure Hamas would say the same, it's just about how that peace is reached and how it looks like in the end. The typical Israeli vision of peace isn't any better than the typical Palestinian vision of peace.
      - null_deref 7mo ago
        I’m not a politician nor all the information is available to me on what can be done and what not My moral compass says the following - 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements 2. Creating a situation were any Palestinian can live respectfully, feed their family and get education From there state decision should be far more easier.
        cultofmetatron 7mo ago
        > 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements perfectly reasonable ask. 3 years ago, I would have been perfectly fine if they demonstrated interest in that. Instead we have people like Ben gvir openly spout ethnosupremacist vitriol that would make hitler blush. Now my instagram is full of that man touring prisons where he brags about executing people who clearly show signs of torture. (and this is what they are COMFORTABLE SHOWING) between that and his approval ratings (60% of israelis want to relocate Palestinians somewhere else Its clear that the whole society is rotten from the top down. frankly, I just want this madness to end.
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
- cultofmetatron 7mo ago
  > I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here The nazis justified the holocaust as a "defense of their values" as well.
  - null_deref 7mo ago
    Nazi values are not my values, nor is any sort of death
    - cultofmetatron 7mo ago
      I can't commment on your values because I don't know you but I can confidently say that zionist values are nazi values. Just listen to your own government leaders like Ben gvir or likund writings. literally word for word sounds like something Hitler and leaders of the nazi party would have said with [search replace arayan -> jew.] here's some quotes. please tell me, hitler or gvir "We have to speak honestly. That there are many, many ___ – I didn't say all the ___, but a lot of __ who are not loyal to the ____. Undoubtedly, their vote is endangering ____, … Any normal country would not let them vote. Unfortunately, we are allowing hundreds of thousands of people who are disloyal to ____ to vote in the elections... " "I am unequivocally against executing the ____ murderer of ____ and in favor of killing the ____ murderers of _____" "There are many ____ who are disloyal and those who are not loyal should not be here.""
      - null_deref 7mo ago
        Marine La Pen has almost won the elections in France? Is all French society rotten?
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        I rather dislike her, but on it's worst day a Marine Le Pen-led government in France wouldn't even come close to doing anything nearly as bad as Israel does every day.
null_deref 7mo ago
The entire continent of North America changed hands in the last 250 years many European lands changed hands in the last 150 years, some Israeli lands changed hands in the last 80 years, why should only we open our records?
- JasonADrury 7mo ago
  The Palestinian people exist and have very real and justified grievances. There's hardly anything comparable in Europe.
  - null_deref 7mo ago
    Ok, I’m for building them a better future, we’re on agreement in that
    - JasonADrury 7mo ago
      Do you disagree that there's a good chance that by choosing to live and pay taxes in Israel you're going to have a net negative effect on the future of the Palestinians over your lifetime?
      - null_deref 7mo ago
        You hold me to inhuman standards you do not uphold in your personal life. The current government is bad for me and bad for the Palestinians I strive for a better one, and I’m here to stay
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        I absolutely do hold myself to the same standards of not living and paying taxes in Israel.
        null_deref 7mo ago
        Thanks god, what a contribution to the world! Hope you having a nice time in this historic tiny minuscule moment of peace your continent is having, while you sit on an economy based on generations that robbed entire continents naked and then benefited from child labor of those continents! But in this tiny point of peace you don’t dedicate any portion of your life to help 3rd world countries or any global causes like the environment But tell me to move one of your countries that have right wing parties rising in the polls because some tiny percent of your population became Muslim. You will watch with me your politicians throw away this high morality you hold the second a Russian missile hit the ground in Western Europe and you with them
halflife 7mo ago
My grand grandparent had a factory and a mansion in Poland , which was stolen by the nazis. My family moved with 0 assets to Israel to rebuild themselves. Will you please pay me the sum lost with dividends so I can return to Poland?