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Thank you for giving an example of what I’m talking about. You’re there fantasising about armed conflict when there are a million different actions one can take

by khalic 8mo ago

Thank you for giving an example of what I’m talking about. You’re there fantasising about armed conflict when there are a million different actions one can take. But nope, only words, words and more words.

jachee 8mo ago
It’s 5am on a Saturday. What millions of actions do you suggest, O just-as-wordy-yet-holier-than-thou HN commentor?
- agmater 8mo ago
  https://commonslibrary.org/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action/ https://commonslibrary.org/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action/ here's some to get you started
  - jachee 8mo ago
    The first 17 of those are all variations on “make words”. :P
    - lejalv 8mo ago
      Do you know how the deadliest conflict of the XXth century eventually came to be? The words of one Adolf Hitler. Don't dismiss words: they are the necessary link between (individual) thoughts and collective deeds. PS. Trump also got there with words: speeches, slogans, imprecations
      - jachee 8mo ago
        I’m not the one saying “you lot only do words”, this one is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47193041 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47193041
- khalic 8mo ago
  Assuming this is in good faith: think about it yourself, are you seriously waiting for people to tell you what to do? Use your critical thinking skills, read history about similar situations. If you can't, find someone OFFLINE that will. And don't go telling your plans on the web.
- xorcist 8mo ago
  No one can do everything but everyone can do something. If you are in law enforcement, do not follow clearly unlawful orders. The president is not your boss. This is a functioning democracy. If you are a librarian, do not hide otherwise lawful books that the current administration dislikes. If you are in logistics, do not collect obviously unconstitutional taxes. Make sure to challenge them in courts first. If you are in a university, stick to what is true and scientifically sound. Do not hide inconvenient truths. If you are a baker, do not refuse to make a rainbow colored cake just because you are worried what the people wearing metaphorically brown shirts might say. The list goes on and on and on. This has been well documented throughout history. Fascism needs a seed to thrive, and that seed is people complying in advance. Not with actual laws, but with the idea what direction the law will take, just because it's easier for them. People not helping other people because immigration is not in vogue right now and who knows what the neighbors might say.
- _bohm 8mo ago
  Get organized. Join a mass movement, a local group or a union. There are many people doing things. Stop complaining then excusing yourself for not being one of them.
roryirvine 8mo ago
It's part of the dismal/pathetic form of American exceptionalism that's taken root in the last decade. "We mustn't consider dealing with problem x because it wasn't considered important by our founding fathers" "China are catching up, so we need to cower behind a tariff wall rather than risk losing an open competition" "Other countries with similar legal systems have successfully reformed their supreme courts, but there's nothing we can learn from them" "We shouldn't constrain rogue leaders because of, er, something to do with King George III" ...and now "we can't push back against the regime, because they'll shoot us if we do". It's so weird - a huge shift in such a short period of time. As an outsider who wishes America well, it's really sad to see.
- graemep 8mo ago
  None of this is entirely new. Americans have always fetishised their constitution or founding fathers. While there has been an era of free trade, that is over, and I think the west in general is in a difficult position (ultimately as a result of believing the "end of history" BS). As for getting shot, while the chance of getting shot in the US for opposing the government is much higher than in similar circumstances in somewhere like the UK (which is far from perfect - but rarely actually shoots people), its also much, much lower than in Iran or China or Saudi Arabia. Pushing back against the US government is a lot safer than taking part in something like the 2022 protests that ousted the Sri Lankan government, and lots of normally apolitical people took part in that (which was why it succeeded).
  - murphyslaw 8mo ago
    I believe that the biggest problem in the US is the constitution. It's next to impossible to change so the only way to fix it is replacing it entirely with a new one. But good luck with that...
    - fdsjgfklsfd 8mo ago
      The current biggest problem in the US is that the President is violating the Constitution with impunity
quantified 8mo ago
Actions that are words aren't much of an action.
jasonlotito 8mo ago
> only words, words and more words. Your ignorance of reality does not define reality.

by khalic 8mo ago

jachee 8mo ago

It’s 5am on a Saturday. What millions of actions do you suggest, O just-as-wordy-yet-holier-than-thou HN commentor?

agmater 8mo ago
https://commonslibrary.org/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action/ https://commonslibrary.org/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action/ here's some to get you started
- jachee 8mo ago
  The first 17 of those are all variations on “make words”. :P
  - lejalv 8mo ago
    Do you know how the deadliest conflict of the XXth century eventually came to be? The words of one Adolf Hitler. Don't dismiss words: they are the necessary link between (individual) thoughts and collective deeds. PS. Trump also got there with words: speeches, slogans, imprecations
    - jachee 8mo ago
      I’m not the one saying “you lot only do words”, this one is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47193041 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47193041
khalic 8mo ago
Assuming this is in good faith: think about it yourself, are you seriously waiting for people to tell you what to do? Use your critical thinking skills, read history about similar situations. If you can't, find someone OFFLINE that will. And don't go telling your plans on the web.
xorcist 8mo ago
No one can do everything but everyone can do something. If you are in law enforcement, do not follow clearly unlawful orders. The president is not your boss. This is a functioning democracy. If you are a librarian, do not hide otherwise lawful books that the current administration dislikes. If you are in logistics, do not collect obviously unconstitutional taxes. Make sure to challenge them in courts first. If you are in a university, stick to what is true and scientifically sound. Do not hide inconvenient truths. If you are a baker, do not refuse to make a rainbow colored cake just because you are worried what the people wearing metaphorically brown shirts might say. The list goes on and on and on. This has been well documented throughout history. Fascism needs a seed to thrive, and that seed is people complying in advance. Not with actual laws, but with the idea what direction the law will take, just because it's easier for them. People not helping other people because immigration is not in vogue right now and who knows what the neighbors might say.
_bohm 8mo ago
Get organized. Join a mass movement, a local group or a union. There are many people doing things. Stop complaining then excusing yourself for not being one of them.

roryirvine 8mo ago

It's part of the dismal/pathetic form of American exceptionalism that's taken root in the last decade. "We mustn't consider dealing with problem x because it wasn't considered important by our founding fathers" "China are catching up, so we need to cower behind a tariff wall rather than risk losing an open competition" "Other countries with similar legal systems have successfully reformed their supreme courts, but there's nothing we can learn from them" "We shouldn't constrain rogue leaders because of, er, something to do with King George III" ...and now "we can't push back against the regime, because they'll shoot us if we do". It's so weird - a huge shift in such a short period of time. As an outsider who wishes America well, it's really sad to see.

graemep 8mo ago
None of this is entirely new. Americans have always fetishised their constitution or founding fathers. While there has been an era of free trade, that is over, and I think the west in general is in a difficult position (ultimately as a result of believing the "end of history" BS). As for getting shot, while the chance of getting shot in the US for opposing the government is much higher than in similar circumstances in somewhere like the UK (which is far from perfect - but rarely actually shoots people), its also much, much lower than in Iran or China or Saudi Arabia. Pushing back against the US government is a lot safer than taking part in something like the 2022 protests that ousted the Sri Lankan government, and lots of normally apolitical people took part in that (which was why it succeeded).
- murphyslaw 8mo ago
  I believe that the biggest problem in the US is the constitution. It's next to impossible to change so the only way to fix it is replacing it entirely with a new one. But good luck with that...
  - fdsjgfklsfd 8mo ago
    The current biggest problem in the US is that the President is violating the Constitution with impunity

quantified 8mo ago

Actions that are words aren't much of an action.

jasonlotito 8mo ago

> only words, words and more words. Your ignorance of reality does not define reality.