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You all just keep lying endlessly, I think most people get it at this point. Iran was prepared to go further than the JCPOA, it was never enough because it was

You all just keep lying endlessly, I think most people get it at this point. Iran was prepared to go further than the JCPOA, it was never enough because it was never about nuclear weapons. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/28/peace-within-reach-as-iran-agrees-no-nuclear-material-stockpile-oman-fm https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/28/peace-within-reach-...

throwawayheui57 8mo ago
I speak Persian (Farsi) and in state TV, every day, they said we won’t back down and won’t give up anything. Watch the supreme leader’s translated speech. Straight from the horse mouth! Who’s lying here? Just to be clear I’m not pro war! I take Iranian regime as the first and foremost responsible party in this mess and then US! My people stuck in this disaster of a power struggle.
- lyu07282 8mo ago
  What do you even think the words diplomacy and negotiation even mean? Of course it included independent oversight to any extend the US wanted. There is nothing that Iran can do to satisfy the requirements for peace because the goal of the US is war, Iran has no interest in war that leads to their destruction. For fuck sake it didn't even include any sanction relief! Wake the fuck up! The magnitude of human suffering this will bring, civil war, sectarian violence, it all leads to hundreds of millions of people dying, millions of people displaced. Nobody likes the Iranian regime, just like nobody liked Saddam, its not the point. These wars are barbaric, not in the interests of anybody but Israel and a select few American arms dealers and pedophiles that propagandize their way to barely conscious sheep in the west clapping along to the barbarism AGAIN.
  - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
    > Wake the fuck up! The obnoxious sanctimonious behavior of telling random Iranians to “wake the fuck up” as if we have a saying in what either Iranian government or the US side does. Go pound sand.
    - lyu07282 8mo ago
      Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. All you do is repeat the talking points of the Trump administration. I've seen this all before, the Iraq war broke peoples brains in exactly the same way, nobody learned anything at all.
      - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn. Don’t you see any similarity between what you say and any colonial. And my brain is broken? Let me put it in a way that’s easy to comprehend for you. War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some. edit. > Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. Did you care equally when thousands of Iranians were massacred in the streets by the government or the “care” activates only when convenient?
        lyu07282 8mo ago
        > Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn. I'm anti-interventionism, you can't seriously reframe that into western chauvinism. > War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some. Because its just not true, there would be no war without the US and Israel starting it, PERIOD. It's triggering because you could've said exactly the same thing about the Iraq war, its always the same disaster and people never listen or learn anything, that's why its frustrating.
        Rover222 8mo ago
        anti-interventionism is immoral at some point
        8mo ago
- Matl 8mo ago
  The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities so that Israel and the US can bomb it with impunity every time they please. It would be foolish for the Iranians to agree to that. But useful idiots will be useful idiots.
  - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
    Iran’s FM’s statements on the negotiations contradict these claims. They said that they had productive talks and reasonable progress! Did they lie?
    - Matl 8mo ago
      'productive talks and reasonable progress' is what diplomats almost always say in negotiations in order to maintain a reasonable atmosphere for possible further negotiations, this is not rocket science. They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out.
      - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        > They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out. Can you give me some official sources that explain what exactly was negotiated and demanded on both sides?
        Matl 8mo ago
        TL;DR Iran wants essentially symbolic enrichment so they could save face domestically, the US wants it to limit the range of its missiles so they could not reach Israel when Israel attacks. I want to avoid linking particular sources because I know it's easy to call this or that biased etc. but it's easy to look up even in Israeli sources.
        throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        But that’s not what you said: > The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities
- hjkl0 8mo ago
  I can tell you that in Israel, the prime minister is daily on the news describing how much we are ready to give up and prepared to back down. Obviously the leaders of both our countries want what’s best for all of us and always tell us the truth, right?
- Revanche1367 8mo ago
  For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. And of course a very recent account.
  - lyu07282 8mo ago
    I presume its just an Iranian living in the west? Just look at the Miami Cubans cheering on the total energy blockade killing Cuba right now, its not entirely unusual for immigrants to sound like US republican boomers sadly.
  - jameshilliard 8mo ago
    > For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. Most Persians I know will support just about anyone who will go against the regime, there were huge protests all over the world recently by the Iranian diaspora calling for the regime to be destroyed after tens of thousands of protesters were murdered by the regime all over Iran.
jameshilliard 8mo ago
> it was never about nuclear weapons The only reason to enrich uranium to 60% like Iran was doing is for nuclear weapons purposes.
- halflife 8mo ago
  And burying your facilities under a mountain is not suspect at all
  - pydry 8mo ago
    Not especially. Their other facilities were being bombed routinely by Israel (along with infrastructure).
    - halflife 8mo ago
      So they have medical grade uranium facility under a mountain? If that’s all they need, wouldn’t it be easier to just purchase it from a third party instead of investing billions of dollars hiding from Israel?
      - pydry 8mo ago
        They have a military base under a mountain, not a uranium enrichment facility. Building military defenses against crazed, genocidal, racial supremacists who routinely fire missiles at your country seems more like sensible forward planning to me rather than evidence of a guilty conscience.
- pseingatl 8mo ago
  True. Medical needs require only a lower percentage. I don't know if Iran was planning any fission reactors.
- tsimionescu 8mo ago
  That's not the point. The point is that the attacks on Iran are not about the nuclear weapons. Iran entered the JCPOA and complied with it, it had completely suspended any nuclear weapons program. But that didn't matter for Israel and their sycophants in US foreign policy, because for them the nuclear weapons program is at best only one part of the problem. Their real problem is that Iran is an independent state in the region that refuses to accept Israel's occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, and parts of Lebanon, and that refuses to comply with US policies more broadly. Overall the goal is not to stop Iran's nuclear program, though that is part of it. The goal would be to install a government in Iran that is friendly to Israel and the USA, or, failing that, to completely destroy their economy and defense such that they effectively can't act outside their own borders.

throwawayheui57 8mo ago

I speak Persian (Farsi) and in state TV, every day, they said we won’t back down and won’t give up anything. Watch the supreme leader’s translated speech. Straight from the horse mouth! Who’s lying here? Just to be clear I’m not pro war! I take Iranian regime as the first and foremost responsible party in this mess and then US! My people stuck in this disaster of a power struggle.

lyu07282 8mo ago
What do you even think the words diplomacy and negotiation even mean? Of course it included independent oversight to any extend the US wanted. There is nothing that Iran can do to satisfy the requirements for peace because the goal of the US is war, Iran has no interest in war that leads to their destruction. For fuck sake it didn't even include any sanction relief! Wake the fuck up! The magnitude of human suffering this will bring, civil war, sectarian violence, it all leads to hundreds of millions of people dying, millions of people displaced. Nobody likes the Iranian regime, just like nobody liked Saddam, its not the point. These wars are barbaric, not in the interests of anybody but Israel and a select few American arms dealers and pedophiles that propagandize their way to barely conscious sheep in the west clapping along to the barbarism AGAIN.
- throwawayheui57 8mo ago
  > Wake the fuck up! The obnoxious sanctimonious behavior of telling random Iranians to “wake the fuck up” as if we have a saying in what either Iranian government or the US side does. Go pound sand.
  - lyu07282 8mo ago
    Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. All you do is repeat the talking points of the Trump administration. I've seen this all before, the Iraq war broke peoples brains in exactly the same way, nobody learned anything at all.
    - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
      Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn. Don’t you see any similarity between what you say and any colonial. And my brain is broken? Let me put it in a way that’s easy to comprehend for you. War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some. edit. > Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. Did you care equally when thousands of Iranians were massacred in the streets by the government or the “care” activates only when convenient?
      - lyu07282 8mo ago
        > Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn. I'm anti-interventionism, you can't seriously reframe that into western chauvinism. > War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some. Because its just not true, there would be no war without the US and Israel starting it, PERIOD. It's triggering because you could've said exactly the same thing about the Iraq war, its always the same disaster and people never listen or learn anything, that's why its frustrating.
        Rover222 8mo ago
        anti-interventionism is immoral at some point
        8mo ago
Matl 8mo ago
The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities so that Israel and the US can bomb it with impunity every time they please. It would be foolish for the Iranians to agree to that. But useful idiots will be useful idiots.
- throwawayheui57 8mo ago
  Iran’s FM’s statements on the negotiations contradict these claims. They said that they had productive talks and reasonable progress! Did they lie?
  - Matl 8mo ago
    'productive talks and reasonable progress' is what diplomats almost always say in negotiations in order to maintain a reasonable atmosphere for possible further negotiations, this is not rocket science. They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out.
    - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
      > They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out. Can you give me some official sources that explain what exactly was negotiated and demanded on both sides?
      - Matl 8mo ago
        TL;DR Iran wants essentially symbolic enrichment so they could save face domestically, the US wants it to limit the range of its missiles so they could not reach Israel when Israel attacks. I want to avoid linking particular sources because I know it's easy to call this or that biased etc. but it's easy to look up even in Israeli sources.
        throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        But that’s not what you said: > The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities
hjkl0 8mo ago
I can tell you that in Israel, the prime minister is daily on the news describing how much we are ready to give up and prepared to back down. Obviously the leaders of both our countries want what’s best for all of us and always tell us the truth, right?
Revanche1367 8mo ago
For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. And of course a very recent account.
- lyu07282 8mo ago
  I presume its just an Iranian living in the west? Just look at the Miami Cubans cheering on the total energy blockade killing Cuba right now, its not entirely unusual for immigrants to sound like US republican boomers sadly.
- jameshilliard 8mo ago
  > For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. Most Persians I know will support just about anyone who will go against the regime, there were huge protests all over the world recently by the Iranian diaspora calling for the regime to be destroyed after tens of thousands of protesters were murdered by the regime all over Iran.

jameshilliard 8mo ago

> it was never about nuclear weapons The only reason to enrich uranium to 60% like Iran was doing is for nuclear weapons purposes.

halflife 8mo ago
And burying your facilities under a mountain is not suspect at all
- pydry 8mo ago
  Not especially. Their other facilities were being bombed routinely by Israel (along with infrastructure).
  - halflife 8mo ago
    So they have medical grade uranium facility under a mountain? If that’s all they need, wouldn’t it be easier to just purchase it from a third party instead of investing billions of dollars hiding from Israel?
    - pydry 8mo ago
      They have a military base under a mountain, not a uranium enrichment facility. Building military defenses against crazed, genocidal, racial supremacists who routinely fire missiles at your country seems more like sensible forward planning to me rather than evidence of a guilty conscience.
pseingatl 8mo ago
True. Medical needs require only a lower percentage. I don't know if Iran was planning any fission reactors.
tsimionescu 8mo ago
That's not the point. The point is that the attacks on Iran are not about the nuclear weapons. Iran entered the JCPOA and complied with it, it had completely suspended any nuclear weapons program. But that didn't matter for Israel and their sycophants in US foreign policy, because for them the nuclear weapons program is at best only one part of the problem. Their real problem is that Iran is an independent state in the region that refuses to accept Israel's occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, and parts of Lebanon, and that refuses to comply with US policies more broadly. Overall the goal is not to stop Iran's nuclear program, though that is part of it. The goal would be to install a government in Iran that is friendly to Israel and the USA, or, failing that, to completely destroy their economy and defense such that they effectively can't act outside their own borders.