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It was pretty obvious that if the negotiations failed that the US would respond by attacking Iran. Iran didn't seem willing to give up their nuclear weapons pro

It was pretty obvious that if the negotiations failed that the US would respond by attacking Iran. Iran didn't seem willing to give up their nuclear weapons program regardless of the quite predictable consequences.

lyu07282 8mo ago
You all just keep lying endlessly, I think most people get it at this point. Iran was prepared to go further than the JCPOA, it was never enough because it was never about nuclear weapons. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/28/peace-within-reach-as-iran-agrees-no-nuclear-material-stockpile-oman-fm https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/28/peace-within-reach-...
- throwawayheui57 8mo ago
  I speak Persian (Farsi) and in state TV, every day, they said we won’t back down and won’t give up anything. Watch the supreme leader’s translated speech. Straight from the horse mouth! Who’s lying here? Just to be clear I’m not pro war! I take Iranian regime as the first and foremost responsible party in this mess and then US! My people stuck in this disaster of a power struggle.
  - lyu07282 8mo ago
    What do you even think the words diplomacy and negotiation even mean? Of course it included independent oversight to any extend the US wanted. There is nothing that Iran can do to satisfy the requirements for peace because the goal of the US is war, Iran has no interest in war that leads to their destruction. For fuck sake it didn't even include any sanction relief! Wake the fuck up! The magnitude of human suffering this will bring, civil war, sectarian violence, it all leads to hundreds of millions of people dying, millions of people displaced. Nobody likes the Iranian regime, just like nobody liked Saddam, its not the point. These wars are barbaric, not in the interests of anybody but Israel and a select few American arms dealers and pedophiles that propagandize their way to barely conscious sheep in the west clapping along to the barbarism AGAIN.
    - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
      > Wake the fuck up! The obnoxious sanctimonious behavior of telling random Iranians to “wake the fuck up” as if we have a saying in what either Iranian government or the US side does. Go pound sand.
      - lyu07282 8mo ago
        Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. All you do is repeat the talking points of the Trump administration. I've seen this all before, the Iraq war broke peoples brains in exactly the same way, nobody learned anything at all.
        throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn. Don’t you see any similarity between what you say and any colonial. And my brain is broken? Let me put it in a way that’s easy to comprehend for you. War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some. edit. > Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. Did you care equally when thousands of Iranians were massacred in the streets by the government or the “care” activates only when convenient?
        lyu07282 8mo ago
        > Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn. I'm anti-interventionism, you can't seriously reframe that into western chauvinism. > War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some. Because its just not true, there would be no war without the US and Israel starting it, PERIOD. It's triggering because you could've said exactly the same thing about the Iraq war, its always the same disaster and people never listen or learn anything, that's why its frustrating.
  - Matl 8mo ago
    The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities so that Israel and the US can bomb it with impunity every time they please. It would be foolish for the Iranians to agree to that. But useful idiots will be useful idiots.
    - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
      Iran’s FM’s statements on the negotiations contradict these claims. They said that they had productive talks and reasonable progress! Did they lie?
      - Matl 8mo ago
        'productive talks and reasonable progress' is what diplomats almost always say in negotiations in order to maintain a reasonable atmosphere for possible further negotiations, this is not rocket science. They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out.
        throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        > They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out. Can you give me some official sources that explain what exactly was negotiated and demanded on both sides?
        Matl 8mo ago
        TL;DR Iran wants essentially symbolic enrichment so they could save face domestically, the US wants it to limit the range of its missiles so they could not reach Israel when Israel attacks. I want to avoid linking particular sources because I know it's easy to call this or that biased etc. but it's easy to look up even in Israeli sources.
        throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        But that’s not what you said: > The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities
  - hjkl0 8mo ago
    I can tell you that in Israel, the prime minister is daily on the news describing how much we are ready to give up and prepared to back down. Obviously the leaders of both our countries want what’s best for all of us and always tell us the truth, right?
  - Revanche1367 8mo ago
    For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. And of course a very recent account.
    - lyu07282 8mo ago
      I presume its just an Iranian living in the west? Just look at the Miami Cubans cheering on the total energy blockade killing Cuba right now, its not entirely unusual for immigrants to sound like US republican boomers sadly.
    - jameshilliard 8mo ago
      > For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. Most Persians I know will support just about anyone who will go against the regime, there were huge protests all over the world recently by the Iranian diaspora calling for the regime to be destroyed after tens of thousands of protesters were murdered by the regime all over Iran.
- jameshilliard 8mo ago
  > it was never about nuclear weapons The only reason to enrich uranium to 60% like Iran was doing is for nuclear weapons purposes.
  - halflife 8mo ago
    And burying your facilities under a mountain is not suspect at all
    - pydry 8mo ago
      Not especially. Their other facilities were being bombed routinely by Israel (along with infrastructure).
      - halflife 8mo ago
        So they have medical grade uranium facility under a mountain? If that’s all they need, wouldn’t it be easier to just purchase it from a third party instead of investing billions of dollars hiding from Israel?
        pydry 8mo ago
        They have a military base under a mountain, not a uranium enrichment facility. Building military defenses against crazed, genocidal, racial supremacists who routinely fire missiles at your country seems more like sensible forward planning to me rather than evidence of a guilty conscience.
  - pseingatl 8mo ago
    True. Medical needs require only a lower percentage. I don't know if Iran was planning any fission reactors.
  - tsimionescu 8mo ago
    That's not the point. The point is that the attacks on Iran are not about the nuclear weapons. Iran entered the JCPOA and complied with it, it had completely suspended any nuclear weapons program. But that didn't matter for Israel and their sycophants in US foreign policy, because for them the nuclear weapons program is at best only one part of the problem. Their real problem is that Iran is an independent state in the region that refuses to accept Israel's occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, and parts of Lebanon, and that refuses to comply with US policies more broadly. Overall the goal is not to stop Iran's nuclear program, though that is part of it. The goal would be to install a government in Iran that is friendly to Israel and the USA, or, failing that, to completely destroy their economy and defense such that they effectively can't act outside their own borders.
po_ta_to 8mo ago
You believe everything the US says? lol
- jameshilliard 8mo ago
  > You believe everything the US says? Iranian officials publicly refused to give up their nuclear program, no need to trust the US here.
coffinbirth 8mo ago
It was Trump who cancelled to JCPOA. Also, sending Witkoff and Kushner as negotiators is already an obvious sign the US is dishonest about preventing conflicts through diplomacy, otherwise they would send experienced diplomats. It is really the US Epstein Class Deep State government to blame here. They could have named the DOD the "Department Of Peace", instead they called it the "Department Of War", showing their true face and trajectory. At this point it is really the people of the US to rise up and implement a Regime Change from within to change things for the better.
no-name-here 8mo ago
1. The U.S. and Iran had already negotiated and signed a nuclear agreement between our countries but Trump reneged on the already-negotiated agreement. 2. Trump claimed that his previous attacks on Iran within the last year “completely and totally obliterated” their nuclear program, “obliterated like nobody’s ever seen before” - both direct Trump quotes. Trump was quite clear that Iran’s nuclear program had already been destroyed like nothing had ever been destroyed before.
- swimmingdolphin 8mo ago
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- jameshilliard 8mo ago
  > 1. The U.S. and Iran had already negotiated and signed a nuclear agreement between our countries but Trump reneged on the already-negotiated agreement. Yeah, I agree that was probably a bad idea, doesn't make what I stated above any less true. > 2. Trump claimed that his previous attacks on Iran within the last year “completely and totally obliterated” their nuclear program, “obliterated like nobody’s ever seen before” - both direct Trump quotes. Trump was quite clear that Iran’s nuclear program had already been destroyed like nothing had ever been destroyed before. Yes...Trump lies all the time, that's nothing new.
  - NoLinkToMe 8mo ago
    > doesn't make what I stated above any less true. Yes it does, it makes everything you said untrue. You stated Iran doesn't want to give up its nuclear programme, not true. Iran in fact already did agree to it, Trump then threw that in the trash. Second, it shows the Nuclear threat wasn't the issue because he had a solution for it and threw it away. Then bombed Iran destroying it ostensibly, then continued bombing for regime change. So it's not obvious negotiations failed over nuclear which you stated, because it wasn't about nuclear. Negotiations failed over dismantling Iranian power, mostly its ballistic weapons. i.e. give up weapons and make yourself defenseless to maintain peace. Like the Palestinians did with Israel, after which they're still being murdered daily, aid is still being blocked, and the west bank is increasingly being colonised. In other words an absurd ask from a sovereign country with multiple expansionist neighbours including one that bombed you and virtually all its neighbours last year.
bambax 8mo ago
What's predictable is, if you don't have nuclear weapons, you get attacked. Ask Ukraine. If I were a small country (any country for that matter) the first order of business would be to build myself nuclear weapons now.
- pydry 8mo ago
  Ask Libya. They gave up their nuclear weapons program as a sign of good will. The US then lied through their teeth to the security council about wanting to conduct a humanitarian operation and instead acted as the rebels' air force, helping them win and subsequently leaving the country in utter ruin.
Hikikomori 8mo ago
Did Israel bomb the Iranian negotiators again?
2Gkashmiri 8mo ago
there is news iran accepted to zero nuclear enrichment so what are you saying?
- dodomodo 8mo ago
  there were not such news
  - 2Gkashmiri 8mo ago
    https://www.moneycontrol.com/world/oman-says-iran-agrees-to-zero-enriched-uranium-stockpiles-think-we-have-cracked-the-problem-article-13846450.html https://www.moneycontrol.com/world/oman-says-iran-agrees-to-... why are you lying
    - dodomodo 7mo ago
      they agreed to not have stokepiles of enriched uranium, they didn't agree for no enrichment
netsharc 8mo ago
They were literally in the middle of negotiations, but Trump started the war anyway...
- strangegecko 8mo ago
  "In the middle of negotiations" is arguably more and more used as a carte blanche to do whatever you want in the meantime. Prominent recent example being Putin pretending to be ready to negotiate for peace while bombing Ukraine. The question is really whether negotiations were going on in good faith with the actual goal of realistic compromise. None of us know that side, I would assume.
- jameshilliard 8mo ago
  > They were literally in the middle of negotiations, but Trump started the war anyway... It was pretty clear the negotiations had stalled based on statements put out by Iranian officials.
mullingitover 8mo ago
I doubt the negotiations were in good faith, probably just a political 'see, we tried' gesture full of deal-breaker bad faith proposals. I think the plan all along has been to attack, probably for more than a year. You don't go and rename a whole federal department to 'Department of War' when you don't intend to get into wars.
- jameshilliard 8mo ago
  > I doubt the negotiations were in good faith, probably just a political 'see, we tried' gesture full of deal-breaker bad faith proposals. Iranian officials made public statements refusing to give up their nuclear weapons program so they weren't negotiating in good faith either. Terrorists like the Iranian regime can never be allowed to have access to nuclear weapons for obvious reasons.
  - mullingitover 8mo ago
    Iran has always said they don’t have a nuclear weapons program, so where are you getting this wild claim that suddenly they do a 180 on its existence, and at the same time announce refuse to give it up?
    - jameshilliard 8mo ago
      > Iran has always said they don’t have a nuclear weapons program, so where are you getting this wild claim that suddenly they do a 180 on its existence, and at the same time announce refuse to give it up? You do not enrich uranium to 60% like Iran was doing unless you have a nuclear weapons program.
yibg 8mo ago
Israel just (quite proudly) said they had been planning the targets for months.

lyu07282 8mo ago

You all just keep lying endlessly, I think most people get it at this point. Iran was prepared to go further than the JCPOA, it was never enough because it was never about nuclear weapons. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/28/peace-within-reach-as-iran-agrees-no-nuclear-material-stockpile-oman-fm https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/28/peace-within-reach-...

throwawayheui57 8mo ago
I speak Persian (Farsi) and in state TV, every day, they said we won’t back down and won’t give up anything. Watch the supreme leader’s translated speech. Straight from the horse mouth! Who’s lying here? Just to be clear I’m not pro war! I take Iranian regime as the first and foremost responsible party in this mess and then US! My people stuck in this disaster of a power struggle.
- lyu07282 8mo ago
  What do you even think the words diplomacy and negotiation even mean? Of course it included independent oversight to any extend the US wanted. There is nothing that Iran can do to satisfy the requirements for peace because the goal of the US is war, Iran has no interest in war that leads to their destruction. For fuck sake it didn't even include any sanction relief! Wake the fuck up! The magnitude of human suffering this will bring, civil war, sectarian violence, it all leads to hundreds of millions of people dying, millions of people displaced. Nobody likes the Iranian regime, just like nobody liked Saddam, its not the point. These wars are barbaric, not in the interests of anybody but Israel and a select few American arms dealers and pedophiles that propagandize their way to barely conscious sheep in the west clapping along to the barbarism AGAIN.
  - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
    > Wake the fuck up! The obnoxious sanctimonious behavior of telling random Iranians to “wake the fuck up” as if we have a saying in what either Iranian government or the US side does. Go pound sand.
    - lyu07282 8mo ago
      Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. All you do is repeat the talking points of the Trump administration. I've seen this all before, the Iraq war broke peoples brains in exactly the same way, nobody learned anything at all.
      - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn. Don’t you see any similarity between what you say and any colonial. And my brain is broken? Let me put it in a way that’s easy to comprehend for you. War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some. edit. > Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. Did you care equally when thousands of Iranians were massacred in the streets by the government or the “care” activates only when convenient?
        lyu07282 8mo ago
        > Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn. I'm anti-interventionism, you can't seriously reframe that into western chauvinism. > War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some. Because its just not true, there would be no war without the US and Israel starting it, PERIOD. It's triggering because you could've said exactly the same thing about the Iraq war, its always the same disaster and people never listen or learn anything, that's why its frustrating.
- Matl 8mo ago
  The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities so that Israel and the US can bomb it with impunity every time they please. It would be foolish for the Iranians to agree to that. But useful idiots will be useful idiots.
  - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
    Iran’s FM’s statements on the negotiations contradict these claims. They said that they had productive talks and reasonable progress! Did they lie?
    - Matl 8mo ago
      'productive talks and reasonable progress' is what diplomats almost always say in negotiations in order to maintain a reasonable atmosphere for possible further negotiations, this is not rocket science. They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out.
      - throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        > They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out. Can you give me some official sources that explain what exactly was negotiated and demanded on both sides?
        Matl 8mo ago
        TL;DR Iran wants essentially symbolic enrichment so they could save face domestically, the US wants it to limit the range of its missiles so they could not reach Israel when Israel attacks. I want to avoid linking particular sources because I know it's easy to call this or that biased etc. but it's easy to look up even in Israeli sources.
        throwawayheui57 8mo ago
        But that’s not what you said: > The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities
- hjkl0 8mo ago
  I can tell you that in Israel, the prime minister is daily on the news describing how much we are ready to give up and prepared to back down. Obviously the leaders of both our countries want what’s best for all of us and always tell us the truth, right?
- Revanche1367 8mo ago
  For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. And of course a very recent account.
  - lyu07282 8mo ago
    I presume its just an Iranian living in the west? Just look at the Miami Cubans cheering on the total energy blockade killing Cuba right now, its not entirely unusual for immigrants to sound like US republican boomers sadly.
  - jameshilliard 8mo ago
    > For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. Most Persians I know will support just about anyone who will go against the regime, there were huge protests all over the world recently by the Iranian diaspora calling for the regime to be destroyed after tens of thousands of protesters were murdered by the regime all over Iran.
jameshilliard 8mo ago
> it was never about nuclear weapons The only reason to enrich uranium to 60% like Iran was doing is for nuclear weapons purposes.
- halflife 8mo ago
  And burying your facilities under a mountain is not suspect at all
  - pydry 8mo ago
    Not especially. Their other facilities were being bombed routinely by Israel (along with infrastructure).
    - halflife 8mo ago
      So they have medical grade uranium facility under a mountain? If that’s all they need, wouldn’t it be easier to just purchase it from a third party instead of investing billions of dollars hiding from Israel?
      - pydry 8mo ago
        They have a military base under a mountain, not a uranium enrichment facility. Building military defenses against crazed, genocidal, racial supremacists who routinely fire missiles at your country seems more like sensible forward planning to me rather than evidence of a guilty conscience.
- pseingatl 8mo ago
  True. Medical needs require only a lower percentage. I don't know if Iran was planning any fission reactors.
- tsimionescu 8mo ago
  That's not the point. The point is that the attacks on Iran are not about the nuclear weapons. Iran entered the JCPOA and complied with it, it had completely suspended any nuclear weapons program. But that didn't matter for Israel and their sycophants in US foreign policy, because for them the nuclear weapons program is at best only one part of the problem. Their real problem is that Iran is an independent state in the region that refuses to accept Israel's occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, and parts of Lebanon, and that refuses to comply with US policies more broadly. Overall the goal is not to stop Iran's nuclear program, though that is part of it. The goal would be to install a government in Iran that is friendly to Israel and the USA, or, failing that, to completely destroy their economy and defense such that they effectively can't act outside their own borders.

po_ta_to 8mo ago

You believe everything the US says? lol

jameshilliard 8mo ago
> You believe everything the US says? Iranian officials publicly refused to give up their nuclear program, no need to trust the US here.

coffinbirth 8mo ago

It was Trump who cancelled to JCPOA. Also, sending Witkoff and Kushner as negotiators is already an obvious sign the US is dishonest about preventing conflicts through diplomacy, otherwise they would send experienced diplomats. It is really the US Epstein Class Deep State government to blame here. They could have named the DOD the "Department Of Peace", instead they called it the "Department Of War", showing their true face and trajectory. At this point it is really the people of the US to rise up and implement a Regime Change from within to change things for the better.

no-name-here 8mo ago

1. The U.S. and Iran had already negotiated and signed a nuclear agreement between our countries but Trump reneged on the already-negotiated agreement. 2. Trump claimed that his previous attacks on Iran within the last year “completely and totally obliterated” their nuclear program, “obliterated like nobody’s ever seen before” - both direct Trump quotes. Trump was quite clear that Iran’s nuclear program had already been destroyed like nothing had ever been destroyed before.

swimmingdolphin 8mo ago
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jameshilliard 8mo ago
> 1. The U.S. and Iran had already negotiated and signed a nuclear agreement between our countries but Trump reneged on the already-negotiated agreement. Yeah, I agree that was probably a bad idea, doesn't make what I stated above any less true. > 2. Trump claimed that his previous attacks on Iran within the last year “completely and totally obliterated” their nuclear program, “obliterated like nobody’s ever seen before” - both direct Trump quotes. Trump was quite clear that Iran’s nuclear program had already been destroyed like nothing had ever been destroyed before. Yes...Trump lies all the time, that's nothing new.
- NoLinkToMe 8mo ago
  > doesn't make what I stated above any less true. Yes it does, it makes everything you said untrue. You stated Iran doesn't want to give up its nuclear programme, not true. Iran in fact already did agree to it, Trump then threw that in the trash. Second, it shows the Nuclear threat wasn't the issue because he had a solution for it and threw it away. Then bombed Iran destroying it ostensibly, then continued bombing for regime change. So it's not obvious negotiations failed over nuclear which you stated, because it wasn't about nuclear. Negotiations failed over dismantling Iranian power, mostly its ballistic weapons. i.e. give up weapons and make yourself defenseless to maintain peace. Like the Palestinians did with Israel, after which they're still being murdered daily, aid is still being blocked, and the west bank is increasingly being colonised. In other words an absurd ask from a sovereign country with multiple expansionist neighbours including one that bombed you and virtually all its neighbours last year.

bambax 8mo ago

What's predictable is, if you don't have nuclear weapons, you get attacked. Ask Ukraine. If I were a small country (any country for that matter) the first order of business would be to build myself nuclear weapons now.

pydry 8mo ago
Ask Libya. They gave up their nuclear weapons program as a sign of good will. The US then lied through their teeth to the security council about wanting to conduct a humanitarian operation and instead acted as the rebels' air force, helping them win and subsequently leaving the country in utter ruin.

Hikikomori 8mo ago

Did Israel bomb the Iranian negotiators again?

2Gkashmiri 8mo ago

there is news iran accepted to zero nuclear enrichment so what are you saying?

dodomodo 8mo ago
there were not such news
- 2Gkashmiri 8mo ago
  https://www.moneycontrol.com/world/oman-says-iran-agrees-to-zero-enriched-uranium-stockpiles-think-we-have-cracked-the-problem-article-13846450.html https://www.moneycontrol.com/world/oman-says-iran-agrees-to-... why are you lying
  - dodomodo 7mo ago
    they agreed to not have stokepiles of enriched uranium, they didn't agree for no enrichment

netsharc 8mo ago

They were literally in the middle of negotiations, but Trump started the war anyway...

strangegecko 8mo ago
"In the middle of negotiations" is arguably more and more used as a carte blanche to do whatever you want in the meantime. Prominent recent example being Putin pretending to be ready to negotiate for peace while bombing Ukraine. The question is really whether negotiations were going on in good faith with the actual goal of realistic compromise. None of us know that side, I would assume.
jameshilliard 8mo ago
> They were literally in the middle of negotiations, but Trump started the war anyway... It was pretty clear the negotiations had stalled based on statements put out by Iranian officials.

mullingitover 8mo ago

I doubt the negotiations were in good faith, probably just a political 'see, we tried' gesture full of deal-breaker bad faith proposals. I think the plan all along has been to attack, probably for more than a year. You don't go and rename a whole federal department to 'Department of War' when you don't intend to get into wars.

jameshilliard 8mo ago
> I doubt the negotiations were in good faith, probably just a political 'see, we tried' gesture full of deal-breaker bad faith proposals. Iranian officials made public statements refusing to give up their nuclear weapons program so they weren't negotiating in good faith either. Terrorists like the Iranian regime can never be allowed to have access to nuclear weapons for obvious reasons.
- mullingitover 8mo ago
  Iran has always said they don’t have a nuclear weapons program, so where are you getting this wild claim that suddenly they do a 180 on its existence, and at the same time announce refuse to give it up?
  - jameshilliard 8mo ago
    > Iran has always said they don’t have a nuclear weapons program, so where are you getting this wild claim that suddenly they do a 180 on its existence, and at the same time announce refuse to give it up? You do not enrich uranium to 60% like Iran was doing unless you have a nuclear weapons program.

yibg 8mo ago

Israel just (quite proudly) said they had been planning the targets for months.