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I wonder how long it will take in Ukraine. Actually at the rate we're going, there will still be active minefield defenses for most of our lifespans.

stevekemp 8mo ago
Poland withdrew from the Ottawa Convention last month, with the aim of being able to lay anti-personnel mines along its eastern border. Whether it does or not is an open-question, and while I understand it of course, the idea we're increasing the use of mines is a sad day. They're so indiscriminate and will no doubt cause injuries far into the future.
- dopa42365 8mo ago
  There's no border wall, just a typical bike road next to a small fence. So no, unless Poland is planning to blow up their own civilians, they won't mine their own country lol.
  - Xylakant 8mo ago
    My wife’s part of the Family has a house with view of the border to Belarusia. It used to be a small fence just in front of a wood, but that’s long past. It’s truly a wall now.
- postepowanieadm 8mo ago
  No one is going to build minefields, too populated area, too many wild animals. It's mostly about automatic mining - https://www.hsw.pl/produkty/pojazd-minowania-narzutowego-baobab-k/ https://www.hsw.pl/produkty/pojazd-minowania-narzutowego-bao...
  - nolist_policy 8mo ago
    > The BAOBAB-K Mine Laying Vehicle allows the laying of minefields of various sizes, mine densities, and self-clearance times. The self-clearing is interesting and I hindsight auch an obvious thing to implement.
- gljiva 8mo ago
  Placing landmines systematically during peacetime by a stable government-ran military should at least make clearing mines easier, and minefields better marked for locals. So, it's not completely indiscriminate. If it decreases war-related life loss (both direct and indirect), it's net positive
wiseowise 8mo ago
Putin’s war, bro. It’s aaall Putin laying the mines.
matkoniecz 8mo ago
I seen estimates that are much more pessimistic. https://www.osw.waw.pl/pl/publikacje/komentarze-osw/2023-11-22/ukraina-najwieksze-pole-minowe-swiata https://www.osw.waw.pl/pl/publikacje/komentarze-osw/2023-11-... mentions optimistic estimate of 70 years, and other statistics give estimated cleanup time of 740 years. And in months since then more mines were placed.

stevekemp 8mo ago

Poland withdrew from the Ottawa Convention last month, with the aim of being able to lay anti-personnel mines along its eastern border. Whether it does or not is an open-question, and while I understand it of course, the idea we're increasing the use of mines is a sad day. They're so indiscriminate and will no doubt cause injuries far into the future.

dopa42365 8mo ago
There's no border wall, just a typical bike road next to a small fence. So no, unless Poland is planning to blow up their own civilians, they won't mine their own country lol.
- Xylakant 8mo ago
  My wife’s part of the Family has a house with view of the border to Belarusia. It used to be a small fence just in front of a wood, but that’s long past. It’s truly a wall now.
postepowanieadm 8mo ago
No one is going to build minefields, too populated area, too many wild animals. It's mostly about automatic mining - https://www.hsw.pl/produkty/pojazd-minowania-narzutowego-baobab-k/ https://www.hsw.pl/produkty/pojazd-minowania-narzutowego-bao...
- nolist_policy 8mo ago
  > The BAOBAB-K Mine Laying Vehicle allows the laying of minefields of various sizes, mine densities, and self-clearance times. The self-clearing is interesting and I hindsight auch an obvious thing to implement.
gljiva 8mo ago
Placing landmines systematically during peacetime by a stable government-ran military should at least make clearing mines easier, and minefields better marked for locals. So, it's not completely indiscriminate. If it decreases war-related life loss (both direct and indirect), it's net positive

wiseowise 8mo ago

Putin’s war, bro. It’s aaall Putin laying the mines.

matkoniecz 8mo ago

I seen estimates that are much more pessimistic. https://www.osw.waw.pl/pl/publikacje/komentarze-osw/2023-11-22/ukraina-najwieksze-pole-minowe-swiata https://www.osw.waw.pl/pl/publikacje/komentarze-osw/2023-11-... mentions optimistic estimate of 70 years, and other statistics give estimated cleanup time of 740 years. And in months since then more mines were placed.