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Nah. It's possible that the agreement still supports the required terms. There is more to this story behind the scenes. The government wanted to show power and

Nah. It's possible that the agreement still supports the required terms. There is more to this story behind the scenes. The government wanted to show power and control over our companies and industries. They didn’t need those terms for any specific utility, they wanted to fight “woke” business that stood up to them. Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms as Anthropic (according to SamA). Maybe they offered it cheaper and that’s why they agreed. Maybe it’s all the lobbying money from OpenAI that let the government look the other way. Maybe it’s all the PR announcements SamA and Trump do together.

SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
Maybe Sam Altman said nicer things about Donald Trump. Maybe he promised that he would not revoke their API keys when Hegseth directs the military to seize ballots. Maybe he's jockeying for position to take over the government when AGI hits. Ultimately, I don't know how much the specific reasons matter. Pete Hegseth must be removed from office, OpenAI must be destroyed for their betrayal of the US public, that's all there is to it.
- toufka 8mo ago
  1) Another OpenAI cofounder (Brockman) gave Trump’s superPAC the largest ever individual donation of $25m. 2) Trump’s son in law (Kushner) has most of his net worth wrapped up in OpenAI.
  - m_ke 8mo ago
    don't forget that Sama is a Thiel protege
  - paganel 8mo ago
    > Trump’s son in law (Kushner) has most of his net worth wrapped up in OpenAI. If true (too lazy to check but I honestly take your word for it), this should probably be bigger news. Not that the outright corruption when it comes to the highest position in the US Government constitutes news anymore, but because it puts the Government’s fight against Anthropic (and supposedly other potential OpenAI competitors) in a new light.
jeffbee 8mo ago
It's this simple: Trump is a criminal. Larry Ellison is his pal. Sam Altman has a huge deal for cloud services from Oracle. Trump is using the DoD budget to backstop Ellison's business.
- drivebyhooting 8mo ago
  Interesting thesis. But regardless of the moral implications, will this improve America’s position on the global stage or further undermine it?
  - SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
    For better or worse, outright nationalization of military related companies is common on a global scale. I plan to do my best to ensure this is a domestic catastrophe, and I hope we'll succeed, but I don't expect other countries to care much about varying levels of regime alignment between two billionaire American defense contractors.
  - MaxfordAndSons 8mo ago
    Attempting to kneecap the breakout front runner of the major American AI companies to ensure the shittier, politically compliant one wins in the short term? Gee I wonder.
    - drivebyhooting 8mo ago
      Anthropic is great but not the undisputed front runner. I can also interpret this as Sam and the administration supporting accelerationism while Dario is more measured and wishes to slow things down.
  - coliveira 8mo ago
    Only if you think that crime will somehow improve America. My opinion is that this is leading to its collapse, no matter how "powerful" they look.
  - intermerda 8mo ago
harmonic18374 8mo ago
I prescribe literally zero truth value to what Sam says. He will say whatever he needs to get ahead. It is honestly irritating to me that you and many others here seem to implicitly assume his messages are correlated with truth, doing his social engineering work for him, as if his word should adjust your priors even slightly. I don't necessarily think he's lying, but there's so much obvious incentive for him to lie here (if only because his employees can save face).
- chamomeal 8mo ago
  Your comment reminded me that a blog post. It’s by the same guy that wrote “programming sucks”. I’ve been sharing it a lot recently lol https://www.stilldrinking.org/stop-talking-to-technology-executives-like-they-have-anything-to-say https://www.stilldrinking.org/stop-talking-to-technology-exe...
- dataflow 8mo ago
  > I don't necessarily think he's lying He doesn't even need to be lying, the comment is vague and contains enough loopholes that it could be true yet meaningless. I explained some that I noticed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47190163 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47190163
- sesqu 8mo ago
  I'm not sure if I'd go down to zero, but he did get fired from OpenAI for lying.
  - harmonic18374 8mo ago
    And fired from YC for lying. And lied to investors about how many Loopt employees he had. And lied about having 100x the actual number of users when he sold it. And lied to employees about the Microsoft deal. And lied to his safety team.
Imnimo 8mo ago
None of those explanations are compatible with the pledge of solidarity in the We Will Not Be Divided letter.
sigmar 8mo ago
>Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms "we put them into our agreement." is strange framing is Altman's tweet. Makes me think the agreement does mention the principles, but doesn't state them as binding rules DoD must follow.
pseudalopex 8mo ago
> Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms as Anthropic (according to SamA). He said human responsibility. Anthropic said human in the loop. And Anthropic refused to say any lawful purpose would be allowed reportedly.

SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago

Maybe Sam Altman said nicer things about Donald Trump. Maybe he promised that he would not revoke their API keys when Hegseth directs the military to seize ballots. Maybe he's jockeying for position to take over the government when AGI hits. Ultimately, I don't know how much the specific reasons matter. Pete Hegseth must be removed from office, OpenAI must be destroyed for their betrayal of the US public, that's all there is to it.

toufka 8mo ago
1) Another OpenAI cofounder (Brockman) gave Trump’s superPAC the largest ever individual donation of $25m. 2) Trump’s son in law (Kushner) has most of his net worth wrapped up in OpenAI.
- m_ke 8mo ago
  don't forget that Sama is a Thiel protege
- paganel 8mo ago
  > Trump’s son in law (Kushner) has most of his net worth wrapped up in OpenAI. If true (too lazy to check but I honestly take your word for it), this should probably be bigger news. Not that the outright corruption when it comes to the highest position in the US Government constitutes news anymore, but because it puts the Government’s fight against Anthropic (and supposedly other potential OpenAI competitors) in a new light.

jeffbee 8mo ago

It's this simple: Trump is a criminal. Larry Ellison is his pal. Sam Altman has a huge deal for cloud services from Oracle. Trump is using the DoD budget to backstop Ellison's business.

drivebyhooting 8mo ago
Interesting thesis. But regardless of the moral implications, will this improve America’s position on the global stage or further undermine it?
- SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
  For better or worse, outright nationalization of military related companies is common on a global scale. I plan to do my best to ensure this is a domestic catastrophe, and I hope we'll succeed, but I don't expect other countries to care much about varying levels of regime alignment between two billionaire American defense contractors.
- MaxfordAndSons 8mo ago
  Attempting to kneecap the breakout front runner of the major American AI companies to ensure the shittier, politically compliant one wins in the short term? Gee I wonder.
  - drivebyhooting 8mo ago
    Anthropic is great but not the undisputed front runner. I can also interpret this as Sam and the administration supporting accelerationism while Dario is more measured and wishes to slow things down.
- coliveira 8mo ago
  Only if you think that crime will somehow improve America. My opinion is that this is leading to its collapse, no matter how "powerful" they look.
- intermerda 8mo ago

harmonic18374 8mo ago

I prescribe literally zero truth value to what Sam says. He will say whatever he needs to get ahead. It is honestly irritating to me that you and many others here seem to implicitly assume his messages are correlated with truth, doing his social engineering work for him, as if his word should adjust your priors even slightly. I don't necessarily think he's lying, but there's so much obvious incentive for him to lie here (if only because his employees can save face).

chamomeal 8mo ago
Your comment reminded me that a blog post. It’s by the same guy that wrote “programming sucks”. I’ve been sharing it a lot recently lol https://www.stilldrinking.org/stop-talking-to-technology-executives-like-they-have-anything-to-say https://www.stilldrinking.org/stop-talking-to-technology-exe...
dataflow 8mo ago
> I don't necessarily think he's lying He doesn't even need to be lying, the comment is vague and contains enough loopholes that it could be true yet meaningless. I explained some that I noticed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47190163 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47190163
sesqu 8mo ago
I'm not sure if I'd go down to zero, but he did get fired from OpenAI for lying.
- harmonic18374 8mo ago
  And fired from YC for lying. And lied to investors about how many Loopt employees he had. And lied about having 100x the actual number of users when he sold it. And lied to employees about the Microsoft deal. And lied to his safety team.

Imnimo 8mo ago

None of those explanations are compatible with the pledge of solidarity in the We Will Not Be Divided letter.

sigmar 8mo ago

>Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms "we put them into our agreement." is strange framing is Altman's tweet. Makes me think the agreement does mention the principles, but doesn't state them as binding rules DoD must follow.

pseudalopex 8mo ago

> Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms as Anthropic (according to SamA). He said human responsibility. Anthropic said human in the loop. And Anthropic refused to say any lawful purpose would be allowed reportedly.