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Help me understand the line Anthropic is drawing in the sand? Don't get me wrong i'm glad they are unwilling to do certain things... but to me it also seems a

Help me understand the line Anthropic is drawing in the sand? Don't get me wrong i'm glad they are unwilling to do certain things... but to me it also seems a little ironic that Anthropic literally is partnered with Palantir which already mass surveills the US. Claude was used in the operation in Venezuala. Their line not to cross seems absurdly thin? Or there is something mega scary thats already much worse they were asked to do which we dont know about I guess.

xvector 7mo ago
The whole reason this is happening is because Anthropic looked into how Claude was used in the Maduro op and found it to violate the negotiated terms of service. Their hard lines are: - no usage of AI to commit murder WITHOUT a human in the loop - no usage of AI for domestic mass surveillance
- puppycodes 7mo ago
  So... this would be fine with them? Claude: "Are you sure you want me to commit murder?" User: "Yes" Or do you mean Human presses button: Claude: "Do you to commit murder? If so press the button." User: "I pressed the button" Claude: "Great! Now lets summarize what we did."
  - xvector 7mo ago
    First one
    - puppycodes 7mo ago
      Seems like an absurd distinction to me... Reminds me of "I was just following orders"...
      - xvector 7mo ago
        I mean the distinction doesn't really matter There are many ways to construct HITL UXes. But typically they'd take the form of the first one I think you're missing the forest for the trees. All Anthropic is saying is that HITL is required before murder, the UX is irrelevant
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        puppycodes 7mo ago
        I agree the distinction doesn't matter, but im not so sure "just" having a human in the loop qualifies as an ethical stand. Just because your not pulling the trigger doesn't make you not culpible for the outcome.
gck1 7mo ago
I don't understand the line as well. So its no to domestic surveillance, but all other countries are a fair game? How is this an ethical stand? What sort of mental gymnastics allow Anthropic to classify this as an ethical stance? To me all of this reads like "we don't trust our models enough yet to not cause domestic havoc, all other is fine, and we don't trust our models enough yet to not vibe-kill people". Key word being "yet".
- puppycodes 7mo ago
  "vibe-kill" made me laugh then feel sick

xvector 7mo ago

The whole reason this is happening is because Anthropic looked into how Claude was used in the Maduro op and found it to violate the negotiated terms of service. Their hard lines are: - no usage of AI to commit murder WITHOUT a human in the loop - no usage of AI for domestic mass surveillance

puppycodes 7mo ago
So... this would be fine with them? Claude: "Are you sure you want me to commit murder?" User: "Yes" Or do you mean Human presses button: Claude: "Do you to commit murder? If so press the button." User: "I pressed the button" Claude: "Great! Now lets summarize what we did."
- xvector 7mo ago
  First one
  - puppycodes 7mo ago
    Seems like an absurd distinction to me... Reminds me of "I was just following orders"...
    - xvector 7mo ago
      I mean the distinction doesn't really matter There are many ways to construct HITL UXes. But typically they'd take the form of the first one I think you're missing the forest for the trees. All Anthropic is saying is that HITL is required before murder, the UX is irrelevant
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      - puppycodes 7mo ago
        I agree the distinction doesn't matter, but im not so sure "just" having a human in the loop qualifies as an ethical stand. Just because your not pulling the trigger doesn't make you not culpible for the outcome.

gck1 7mo ago

I don't understand the line as well. So its no to domestic surveillance, but all other countries are a fair game? How is this an ethical stand? What sort of mental gymnastics allow Anthropic to classify this as an ethical stance? To me all of this reads like "we don't trust our models enough yet to not cause domestic havoc, all other is fine, and we don't trust our models enough yet to not vibe-kill people". Key word being "yet".

puppycodes 7mo ago
"vibe-kill" made me laugh then feel sick