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Wow, and the only restrictions Anthropic asked for are (1) no mass domestic surveillance and (2) require human-in-the-loop for killing [1]. Those seem exception
by pinkmuffinere 8mo ago
Wow, and the only restrictions Anthropic asked for are (1) no mass domestic surveillance and (2) require human-in-the-loop for killing [1]. Those seem exceptionally reasonable, and even rather weak, lol :|
[1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war
- IAmGraydon 8mo agoTheir intention is to turn it against the American people. Hegseth literally wrote a book about eliminating democrats from the US, and this surprises people.
- blhack 8mo agoDid the DoW ask for these things? This whole thing seems like people talking past each other, and that there’s something being left unsaid. Anthropic doesn’t make a product that would assist with kill drones, and they don’t have the right to deny subpoenas.
- nilkn 8mo agoAnthropic specifically called out systems "that take humans out of the loop entirely and automate selecting and engaging targets". I take that to mean they don't want the military using Claude to decide who to kill. As a hyperbolic yet frankly realistic example, they don't want Claude to make a mistake and direct the military to kill innocent children accidentally identified as narco-terrorists. At least, that's the most charitable interpretation of everything going on. I suspect they are also worried that the sitting administration wants to use AI to help them execute a full autocratic takeover of the United States, so they're attempting to kill one of the world's most innovative companies to set an example and pressure other AI labs into letting their technology be used for such purposes.
- blhack 8mo agoRight. Did the DoW ask for that? Or does Anthropic make a product that does that?
- nilkn 8mo agoObviously Anthropic does make a product that could do that -- just give Claude classified data and ask it who to target. Obviously the military wants to use it for that purpose since they couldn't accept Anthropic's extremely limited terms. One can easily and immediately infer the answers to both your questions are yes.
- blhack 8mo agoThe DoW has explicitly said they don’t want this, and what you are describing are not automated kill drones. Anthropic’s safeguards already prevent what you are describing, again the thing thar DoW has said they don’t want.
- nilkn 8mo agoI don't know what you're referencing, but it doesn't matter. I judge people by their actions more than their words. The actions in this case are simple: Anthropic doesn't want their models to be used for fully autonomous weapons or mass surveillance of American citizens, but everything else is fair game; in response, the sitting administration is attempting to kill the company (since a strict reading of the security risk order would force most of their partners, suppliers, etc., to cut them off completely). Giving precedence to words over actions is how you get taken advantage, abused, deceived, etc.
- blhack 8mo agoGOOD. I don’t want Anthropic, or anybody else to have their tools used for these things either. But Dario is showing weakness here by talking around it. Whatever they were asked to do, they should just be upfront about.
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- moron4hire 8mo agoThere are enough idiots involved who "heard about this AI thing" that would demand someone make a Claude-based kill bot. Do not underestimate the disconnect from reality of senior military leadership. They easily forget that everyone who works for them are legally obligated to laugh at their jokes.
- kalkin 8mo agoWhat do subpoenas have to do with anything? Where is all the weird misinformation in these comments coming from?
- blhack 8mo agoBecause mass surveillance has been happening by every tech company under every president since George W. Bush, and despite everybody trying to stop it they haven’t been able to. OpenAI has already said that they’ll give up whatever info the government wants if they’re issued a subpoena; they don’t have a choice.
- kalkin 8mo agoA subpoena isn't mass surveillance.
- blhack 8mo agoWell I certainly feel surveilled when I know that OpenAI will simply give up my data if asked. If anthro is saying they won’t, that’s good!
- kalkin 8mo agoCompanies have to comply with subpoenas (unless they can beat them in court, and with an alternative of going to jail). Subpoenas are supposed to be targeted at individuals and need some kind of process, usually judicial, each time one is issued. Mass surveillance - the Anthropic blog post raises the possibility of using AI to classify the political loyalties of every citizen - is a different thing.
- skillina 8mo agoA subpoena isn't "simply asking." Subpoena literally means "under penalty" in Latin. If the company does not comply they will be held in contempt of court and someone may well go to jail.
- yellowstuff 8mo agoYou make a valid point. Dario suggests that DoD wants to have the capacity to do domestic surveillance and autonomous killing. Sean Parnell said the DoD doesn't want those capacities. These statements are in conflict. Them talking past each other is one possibility. Without much evidence except the track record of the Trump administration, I think it is much more likely that Sean Parnell is lying.
- sigwinch 8mo agoThe announcement hasn't worked through official legal channels, but Anthropic is taking it seriously. The official channel will be a written explanation to Congress, and could be classified. Hegseth objected to guardrails being "woke". Something about "curly haired" almost-men telling him how he can use his "war fighters". I speculate that Trump and Hegseth were both late to the realization that AI could unwind, for example, the next Panama Papers, and are doing this to try to demonstrate power to the industry. Musk tried to explain all this, but they actually encountered him as "autistic". This all looks like a disjointed conversation because we can see slightly more of the future than them.
- skybrian 8mo agoI think that’s the whole idea. Anthropic didn’t ask for much so that they would look like the reasonable party.
- adastra22 8mo agoAnthropic had these conditions in their contract from the very beginning, in contracts negotiated under Biden. It is their actual principled stance, not maneuvering.
- skybrian 8mo agoYes, true, but some people online advocate for taking a harder line than was in their contract.
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- gentleman11 8mo agoTrump doesn't want another election to happen. He needs some powerful tools to ensure that happens, ie, massive scale ai surveillance and manipulation. Eg, like Xi uses in China. I bet anyone here he starts a war as his excuse
- AnimalMuppet 8mo agoThat's not enough. In the US, being at war doesn't cancel elections. (I mean, he may start a war, but he would need something in addition.)
- rootusrootus 8mo ago> he would need something in addition Specifically, he would need the US Congress to draft and pass legislation moving the date of the election. I don't know how eager they are, though, to create an unnecessary constitutional crisis.
- epolanski 8mo agoThe sad part is that I can't process whether your post is an exaggeration or the reality. It's insane how numb I am becoming to these blurry thin lines
- skygazer 8mo agoDon’t become numb. They want normal people to be depoliticized, silent, and withdrawn. We’re so much easier to subjugate and exploit that way: hopeless and spineless. They take more and more each day.
- drivebyhooting 8mo agoAt least with Xi’s China you get 560GW of new electricity generation in one year. You get entire tier 1 cities built in 10. What will the new American reich accomplish?
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- charcircuit 8mo agoThat's the restrictions for now. New restrictions could be added later or the situation of the world could change where those no longer seem reasonable. The military needs that ability to move fast and not be held back.
- ppqqrr 8mo agoEven the most cockeyed reading of history will tell you that it is absolutely vital to the survival of humanity and all that is good on this earth that the US military be tied down and held back.
- RemainsOfTheDay 8mo ago[dead]