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Ah, right, by being actually good, as in - being okay with mass surveillance as long as it isn't being done in the US, being okay with Claude assisting in killi

Ah, right, by being actually good, as in - being okay with mass surveillance as long as it isn't being done in the US, being okay with Claude assisting in killing people as long as it isn't fully autonomous, and being actively hostile to open-weight LLMs and open research on LLMs? This kind of "good"? No, OP is right, their PR department is doing a great job.

unethical_ban 8mo ago
Correct. Protect our citizens' rights, as we are the ones under the jurisdiction of our government. Yes, design competitive weapons systems that can stand up to the threats that adversary powers are creating, but do so while maintaining human control. That kind of good.
- zinodaur 8mo ago
  It’s nice that Americans are being so open about how they feel about other countries these days.
  - overfeed 8mo ago
    "these days"? Too many countries/HNers are only just figuring out it's not fun being at the sharp-end of imperialism.
  - unethical_ban 8mo ago
    What part are you bothered about? The concept of nations?
    - zinodaur 8mo ago
      Sibling comment summed it up pretty well; my country is considered an ally of yours, but even left leaning Americans seem to take it for granted that we deserve mass AI surveillance/blackmail/manipulation if there’s a chance it could benefit us citizens in the short term. I suppose we deserve it for being complicit in American crimes for so long
      - unethical_ban 8mo ago
        You're assuming things I didn't state. I don't particularly want mass AI surveillance at all, but considering how much more dangerous a government's mass spying is to its own citizens living in it 24/7, it's not unreasonable for that to be the focus.
        zinodaur 8mo ago
        > You're assuming things I didn't state. I don't particularly want mass AI surveillance at all That's fair, sorry for that. > considering how much more dangerous a government's mass spying is to its own citizens living in it 24/7, it's not unreasonable for that to be the focus The US government is actively trying to influence politics in my country and spending huge amounts of money to do it. The US government is a much larger threat to us than our own government. All of our tech is owned and operated by US companies, which means the US government has read/write access to all of our data. If we attempt to incentivize domestic software production (e.g. by taxing imported software, or by stipulating where our data can be stored and who can access it), the US government will destroy our economy. This has played out a few times recently. I can't believe we were so foolish as to let this situation grow. Its going to be a painful few decades.
ternwer 8mo ago
How have they been hostile to open weight models and research? Just because they don't release models themselves? Note that they are still releasing interesting research

unethical_ban 8mo ago

Correct. Protect our citizens' rights, as we are the ones under the jurisdiction of our government. Yes, design competitive weapons systems that can stand up to the threats that adversary powers are creating, but do so while maintaining human control. That kind of good.

zinodaur 8mo ago
It’s nice that Americans are being so open about how they feel about other countries these days.
- overfeed 8mo ago
  "these days"? Too many countries/HNers are only just figuring out it's not fun being at the sharp-end of imperialism.
- unethical_ban 8mo ago
  What part are you bothered about? The concept of nations?
  - zinodaur 8mo ago
    Sibling comment summed it up pretty well; my country is considered an ally of yours, but even left leaning Americans seem to take it for granted that we deserve mass AI surveillance/blackmail/manipulation if there’s a chance it could benefit us citizens in the short term. I suppose we deserve it for being complicit in American crimes for so long
    - unethical_ban 8mo ago
      You're assuming things I didn't state. I don't particularly want mass AI surveillance at all, but considering how much more dangerous a government's mass spying is to its own citizens living in it 24/7, it's not unreasonable for that to be the focus.
      - zinodaur 8mo ago
        > You're assuming things I didn't state. I don't particularly want mass AI surveillance at all That's fair, sorry for that. > considering how much more dangerous a government's mass spying is to its own citizens living in it 24/7, it's not unreasonable for that to be the focus The US government is actively trying to influence politics in my country and spending huge amounts of money to do it. The US government is a much larger threat to us than our own government. All of our tech is owned and operated by US companies, which means the US government has read/write access to all of our data. If we attempt to incentivize domestic software production (e.g. by taxing imported software, or by stipulating where our data can be stored and who can access it), the US government will destroy our economy. This has played out a few times recently. I can't believe we were so foolish as to let this situation grow. Its going to be a painful few decades.

ternwer 8mo ago

How have they been hostile to open weight models and research? Just because they don't release models themselves? Note that they are still releasing interesting research