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"Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropi

by rushcar 9mo ago

"Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic." This is authoritarian behavior. You're having trouble negotiating a contract, so instead of just canceling it - you basically ban all of F500 from doing business with that firm.

nemo44x 9mo ago
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- gambiting 9mo ago
  What does being sovereign have to do with anything in this case?
  - nemo44x 9mo ago
    The sovereign is the ultimate authority. In the USA “we the people” delegate the sovereign power to our elected officials. They are now exercising that power in the interest of the people (they believe) that grant that power.
    - Rudybega 9mo ago
      You don't actually believe in the core tenets of the USA if you think that the government should have or should exercise unchecked, abusive power.
      - charcircuit 9mo ago
        The power should be checked by the people and the government we have established. It shouldn't have its power checked by private corporations.
        spankalee 9mo ago
        The government wants to use AI to decide who to kill. Fuck that.
        charcircuit 9mo ago
        1. The restriction applies to even writing documentation, adding comments, scanning for bugs, or even scanning for security vulnerabilities in systems for fully autonomous weapons. As automated vulnerability discovery gets stronger and stronger it is critical that have the ability to have a strong defense. 2. It is a principled take on that private companies shouldn't be making the decisions what their tools can and can't be used for in such an important sector.
        bigtex88 9mo ago
        Corporations are people my friend.
        charcircuit 9mo ago
        A small group of people who may hold views that conflict with the citizens of a country.
    - smlavine 9mo ago
      Ever heard of the Constitution?
      - spiderice 9mo ago
        What part of the constitution is being violated here? Genuine question.
        CamperBob2 9mo ago
        5A taking without compensation, for one thing. The government can't unilaterally change the terms of a contract to seize more value for itself, at least not without following processes that don't play out on Twitter. You could even make a Third Amendment case if you stretched the logic far enough. Does "you can't be forced to quarter soldiers" extend to being forced to provide other forms of support?
        nemo44x 9mo ago
        That’s a stretch. They’re saying that they are cancelling their contract and anyone that you can’t do business with both parties. California literally does this all the time.
        CamperBob2 9mo ago
        California literally does this all the time. Does what? Place companies on a list of businesses that no supplier to the state government of California is allowed to do business with? I'm unfamiliar with such a list but I suppose anything is possible these days.
    - beej71 9mo ago
      You're not American so it might be hard to wrap your head around, but here the "sovereign" leadership is not the ultimate authority.
- theahura 9mo ago
  To be clear, the sovereign is generally considered to be vested in Congress as representatives of the true sovereign, the people.
  - nemo44x 9mo ago
    That’s not true at all. The people selected an executive.
    - theahura 9mo ago
      Sorry, do you think Congress just like appears? Remember that the people do NOT select the executive, the electoral college does. And the electoral college is in turn selected by states.
charcircuit 9mo ago
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- anigbrowl 9mo ago
  Is Anthropic required to sell to the government even if doesn't want to, and is willing to give up its government contracts rather than change its terms of use?
  - charcircuit 9mo ago
    Anthropic is free to not sell to the government.
    - buttercraft 9mo ago
      That is apparently false given this situation
    - array_key_first 9mo ago
      Yes, in the same way a rape victim is "free" to not be raped if they instead opt to get shot by the rapist holding a gun to their head. Does nobody understand simple words like "free" or "voluntary" anymore? Is coersion no longer a concept that the human brain is able to understand? Or, are some people collectively choosing to act so unbelievably stupid they're falling below the intelligence of an average second grader?
      - charcircuit 9mo ago
        Just because the US government is extremely lucrative to work with, that doesn't mean that you are forced to work with them.
        array_key_first 8mo ago
        That's not the situation and you know it. Why are you playing stupid? The negotiation isn't work with us or don't - you know what supply chain risk means.
llm_nerd 9mo ago
The US is currently an autocracy/idiocracy. A staggeringly corrupt, busted nation. Soon enough the midterms will be effectively cancelled. Americans remain blissfully unaware.
- gnarlouse 9mo ago
  No, it's pretty obvious what these ******s are about to pull. "We'Re NeVeR gOiNg BaCk" --Trump
- rootusrootus 9mo ago
  > The US is currently an autocracy/idiocracy. A staggeringly corrupt, busted nation. We are in a bad place right now, that is for certain. > Soon enough the midterms will be effectively cancelled. That would be a pretty big leap from where we are. I think it is important to pay attention, and very important to vote, but there is not a particularly plausible route to cancelling any elections. But they can certainly make enough noise that a lot of people may become confused or scared to vote. So we need to remain laser focused on getting everybody to the polls. Like, this should be priority #1 for every citizen who wants to see democracy continue.
  - pcj-github 9mo ago
    The midterms are not going to go according to anything like historical precedent. If allowed to function normally, Trump loses, and the whole stack of cards collapses. They know that, and will do literally anything and everything to prevent it. If allowed to get away with it, the US is never coming back. Civil unrest very likely in November.
    - rootusrootus 9mo ago
      I don't normally think people would accuse me of being an optimist, but I feel like Trump's influence has lower limits than many people think, and the opposition seems pretty strong. If there are any serious attempts at shenanigans during the midterm elections I think you are right that there would be widespread civil unrest. There are plenty of people willing to fight, especially when the stakes are as high as an actual election. I think it is actually plausible that in the end, nothing too interesting happens and the elections go off as normal. Trump is a lame duck already, will not be on any future ballots, and I'm certain that GOP politicians know how badly they do on ballots that do not include his name. By the time November rolls around they will be in full CYA mode trying to ensure their own reelection and strategizing on how to mitigate the expected damage in 2028. At the rate Trump is going, we could see a super majority Dem Congress in 2028 and that would be a catastrophe for the GOP. I think they're going to start reining him in. His primary threats for 2028 will not be that convincing.
vharuck 9mo ago
This certainly isn't going to attract foreign investment. Business isn't big on governments that capriciously threaten to seize control of or financially harm them.

by rushcar 9mo ago

nemo44x 9mo ago

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gambiting 9mo ago
What does being sovereign have to do with anything in this case?
- nemo44x 9mo ago
  The sovereign is the ultimate authority. In the USA “we the people” delegate the sovereign power to our elected officials. They are now exercising that power in the interest of the people (they believe) that grant that power.
  - Rudybega 9mo ago
    You don't actually believe in the core tenets of the USA if you think that the government should have or should exercise unchecked, abusive power.
    - charcircuit 9mo ago
      The power should be checked by the people and the government we have established. It shouldn't have its power checked by private corporations.
      - spankalee 9mo ago
        The government wants to use AI to decide who to kill. Fuck that.
        charcircuit 9mo ago
        1. The restriction applies to even writing documentation, adding comments, scanning for bugs, or even scanning for security vulnerabilities in systems for fully autonomous weapons. As automated vulnerability discovery gets stronger and stronger it is critical that have the ability to have a strong defense. 2. It is a principled take on that private companies shouldn't be making the decisions what their tools can and can't be used for in such an important sector.
      - bigtex88 9mo ago
        Corporations are people my friend.
        charcircuit 9mo ago
        A small group of people who may hold views that conflict with the citizens of a country.
  - smlavine 9mo ago
    Ever heard of the Constitution?
    - spiderice 9mo ago
      What part of the constitution is being violated here? Genuine question.
      - CamperBob2 9mo ago
        5A taking without compensation, for one thing. The government can't unilaterally change the terms of a contract to seize more value for itself, at least not without following processes that don't play out on Twitter. You could even make a Third Amendment case if you stretched the logic far enough. Does "you can't be forced to quarter soldiers" extend to being forced to provide other forms of support?
        nemo44x 9mo ago
        That’s a stretch. They’re saying that they are cancelling their contract and anyone that you can’t do business with both parties. California literally does this all the time.
        CamperBob2 9mo ago
        California literally does this all the time. Does what? Place companies on a list of businesses that no supplier to the state government of California is allowed to do business with? I'm unfamiliar with such a list but I suppose anything is possible these days.
  - beej71 9mo ago
    You're not American so it might be hard to wrap your head around, but here the "sovereign" leadership is not the ultimate authority.
theahura 9mo ago
To be clear, the sovereign is generally considered to be vested in Congress as representatives of the true sovereign, the people.
- nemo44x 9mo ago
  That’s not true at all. The people selected an executive.
  - theahura 9mo ago
    Sorry, do you think Congress just like appears? Remember that the people do NOT select the executive, the electoral college does. And the electoral college is in turn selected by states.

charcircuit 9mo ago

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anigbrowl 9mo ago
Is Anthropic required to sell to the government even if doesn't want to, and is willing to give up its government contracts rather than change its terms of use?
- charcircuit 9mo ago
  Anthropic is free to not sell to the government.
  - buttercraft 9mo ago
    That is apparently false given this situation
  - array_key_first 9mo ago
    Yes, in the same way a rape victim is "free" to not be raped if they instead opt to get shot by the rapist holding a gun to their head. Does nobody understand simple words like "free" or "voluntary" anymore? Is coersion no longer a concept that the human brain is able to understand? Or, are some people collectively choosing to act so unbelievably stupid they're falling below the intelligence of an average second grader?
    - charcircuit 9mo ago
      Just because the US government is extremely lucrative to work with, that doesn't mean that you are forced to work with them.
      - array_key_first 8mo ago
        That's not the situation and you know it. Why are you playing stupid? The negotiation isn't work with us or don't - you know what supply chain risk means.

llm_nerd 9mo ago

The US is currently an autocracy/idiocracy. A staggeringly corrupt, busted nation. Soon enough the midterms will be effectively cancelled. Americans remain blissfully unaware.

gnarlouse 9mo ago
No, it's pretty obvious what these ******s are about to pull. "We'Re NeVeR gOiNg BaCk" --Trump
rootusrootus 9mo ago
> The US is currently an autocracy/idiocracy. A staggeringly corrupt, busted nation. We are in a bad place right now, that is for certain. > Soon enough the midterms will be effectively cancelled. That would be a pretty big leap from where we are. I think it is important to pay attention, and very important to vote, but there is not a particularly plausible route to cancelling any elections. But they can certainly make enough noise that a lot of people may become confused or scared to vote. So we need to remain laser focused on getting everybody to the polls. Like, this should be priority #1 for every citizen who wants to see democracy continue.
- pcj-github 9mo ago
  The midterms are not going to go according to anything like historical precedent. If allowed to function normally, Trump loses, and the whole stack of cards collapses. They know that, and will do literally anything and everything to prevent it. If allowed to get away with it, the US is never coming back. Civil unrest very likely in November.
  - rootusrootus 9mo ago
    I don't normally think people would accuse me of being an optimist, but I feel like Trump's influence has lower limits than many people think, and the opposition seems pretty strong. If there are any serious attempts at shenanigans during the midterm elections I think you are right that there would be widespread civil unrest. There are plenty of people willing to fight, especially when the stakes are as high as an actual election. I think it is actually plausible that in the end, nothing too interesting happens and the elections go off as normal. Trump is a lame duck already, will not be on any future ballots, and I'm certain that GOP politicians know how badly they do on ballots that do not include his name. By the time November rolls around they will be in full CYA mode trying to ensure their own reelection and strategizing on how to mitigate the expected damage in 2028. At the rate Trump is going, we could see a super majority Dem Congress in 2028 and that would be a catastrophe for the GOP. I think they're going to start reining him in. His primary threats for 2028 will not be that convincing.

vharuck 9mo ago

This certainly isn't going to attract foreign investment. Business isn't big on governments that capriciously threaten to seize control of or financially harm them.