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What’s interesting is Anthropic being singled out here. That either means: 1- OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc have no problem with their products being

What’s interesting is Anthropic being singled out here. That either means: 1- OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc have no problem with their products being used to kill people so no need to bully them. 2- These other products are so terrible at the task that the clown shoe wearing SecDef is forced to try to bully Anthropic.

lkbm 7mo ago
Anthropic already went through the process of getting approved to work in secure network. (I think xAI may have as well, but the others just don't have that access.)
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mediaman 7mo ago
It's not either of those. Anthropic put a lot of effort into getting FedRAMP approved so the DOD could use them; they are now being punished for that, and the government at present has no other good options. Other options could of course be developed, but other vendors may question how unreliable and untrustworthy the current DOD leadership is as as customer.
- stronglikedan 7mo ago
  > DOD *DOW
  - ok_dad 7mo ago
    No it’s still the DoD legally
  - dpkirchner 7mo ago
    There is no such thing. That's a fantasy term used by deluded people to signal a particular virtue.
    - mindslight 7mo ago
      ... signal a particular vice. It's vice signalling. We generally think of war as bad and try to avoid it, most especially the people tasked with fighting said wars. Nothing has changed about the performative-ness, in fact if anything it's gotten more performative and hollow. They just signal vices rather than virtues, so a bunch of rightist-flavored-Lenin's useful idiots think it is fresh or effective or anti-"woke" or at least different.
      - jvandreae 7mo ago
        Ah, yes, the Orwellian newspeak that is the phrase "Department of Defense" is something worth protecting. What next, the Ministry of Truth? I don't really give any weight to what a leftist considers a vice or a virtue.
        mindslight 7mo ago
        The "Orwellian newspeak" at least makes an effort to aim for positive values, despite falling short. That's the point. Also, please define what you mean by "leftist". These days it seems like it gets applied to anybody who believes in Constitutionally-limited government and the rule of law. That used to just be called being an American, but social media is a hell of a drug.
    - b112 7mo ago
      I keep seeing DOW everywhere, and honestly had no idea it wasn't a legal namechange yet (or ever). There's even a webpage for it. So cut the guy some slack. No one knows wtf is actually going on these days.
      - mindslight 7mo ago
        With a malevolent agent in the bully pulpit deliberately swamping the American zeitgeist with hostile nonsense ("flood the zone with shit"), it has become every American's duty to be on guard to avoid propagating the regime's bullshit. We are indeed at war, an information war of the US elites against We The People. So buck up.
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  - learingsci 7mo ago
    Is over $50,000, all arguments are invalid.
- SecretDreams 7mo ago
  > untrustworthy the current DOD leadership is as as customer. Less than a year left on this clock.
  - b112 7mo ago
    You sure? War with Canada is about to break out, and you can't have elections when at war.
    - bhelkey 7mo ago
      Is this sarcasm? The US held elections during World War II [1]. [1] https://www.britannica.com/event/United-States-presidential-election-of-1944 https://www.britannica.com/event/United-States-presidential-...
      - b112 7mo ago
        I guess that proves elections can't be delayed, right?
      - pavlov 7mo ago
        The US President in 1944 was someone who wanted to have elections. In 2026 this is not the case anymore. How much of a difference it makes, nobody knows.
        wat10000 7mo ago
        Elections won't be canceled. They're too important for the perception of legitimacy. Virtually every country on Earth now has elections. Russia, China, even North Korea has elections. The modern playbook isn't to abolish elections, it's a combination of blocking opposition candidates, suppressing votes, intimidating voters, and lying about the results. That's what to watch for.
        wrs 7mo ago
        “Watch for”? That has been actively happening, at an accelerating pace. (Especially if you count “lying about someone else lying about the results”.)
- ksymph 7mo ago
  Seems like Microsoft/OpenAI [0] and Google [1] both have FedRAMP approval. [0] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azuregov/azure-openai-fedramp-high-for-government/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azuregov/azure-openai-fedramp... [1] https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/public-sector/gemini-in-workspace-apps-and-the-gemini-app-are-first-to-achieve-fedramp-high-authorization https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/public-sector/gemini-in...
tikhonj 7mo ago
3- Anthropic looks "woke" and the administration cares more about perceptions than reality. Not too different from picking on Harvard/etc.
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jasongill 7mo ago
WaPo is reporting that OpenAI and xAI already agreed to the Pentagon's "any lawful use" clause, aka, mass surveillance and fully autonomous killbots. From the WaPo article https://archive.is/yz6JA#selection-435.42-435.355 https://archive.is/yz6JA#selection-435.42-435.355 > Officials say other leading AI firms have gone along with the demand. OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT, Google and Elon Musk’s xAI have agreed to allow the Pentagon to use their systems for “all lawful purposes” on unclassified networks, a Defense official said, and are working on agreements for classified networks. The only difference is simply that Anthropic is already approved for use on classified networks, whereas Grok and OpenAI are not yet (but are being fast-tracked for approval, especially Grok). Edit: Note someone below pointed out that OpenAI may be approved for Secret level, so it's odd that Washington Post reports that they are working on it still.
- fcarraldo 7mo ago
  OpenAI is usable through Azure for Government up to IL-6. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azuregov/azure-openai-authorization/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azuregov/azure-openai-authori... Either Anthropic is seen as the clear leader (it certainly is for coding agents) or this is a political stunt to stamp out any opposition to the administration. Or both.
- chasd00 7mo ago
  > fully autonomous killbots I keep hearing this but it should be plainly obvious to everyone (at least here) that an LLM is not the right AI for this use case. That's like trying to use chatgpt for an airplane autopilot, it doesn't make sense. Other ML models may but not an LLM. Why does the "autonomous killbot" thing keep getting brought up when discussing Anthropic and other llm providers? For reference, "autonomous killbots" are in use right now in the Ukraine/Russia war and they run on fpv drones, not acres of GPUs. Also, it should be obvious that there's a >90% probability every predator/reaper drone has had an autonomous kill mode for probably a decade now. Maybe it's never been used in warfare, that we know of, but to think it doesn't exist already is bonkers.
  - TGower 7mo ago
api 7mo ago
3- These others have more influence with the administration and are using it to bully a competitor?
Spooky23 7mo ago
You’re reading into it like the federal government is an honest broker. It’s just corruption. Google is a bigger fish. OpenAI is attached to Oracle and Larry Ellison, who is a Trump collaborator. Kushner is also in investor. Anthropic is the weakest animal in the herd. They also started a campaign targeting OpenAI, which is capturing hearts and minds (everyone is talking about Claude Code), and really pissed off Sam Altman.
nerdyadventurer 7mo ago
Microsoft AI (OpenAI) have already being used for war. Possibly Google AI too. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3ZxzCU_Qye8 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3ZxzCU_Qye8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RDKgsKbuNM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RDKgsKbuNM

lkbm 7mo ago

Anthropic already went through the process of getting approved to work in secure network. (I think xAI may have as well, but the others just don't have that access.)

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mediaman 7mo ago

It's not either of those. Anthropic put a lot of effort into getting FedRAMP approved so the DOD could use them; they are now being punished for that, and the government at present has no other good options. Other options could of course be developed, but other vendors may question how unreliable and untrustworthy the current DOD leadership is as as customer.

stronglikedan 7mo ago
> DOD *DOW
- ok_dad 7mo ago
  No it’s still the DoD legally
- dpkirchner 7mo ago
  There is no such thing. That's a fantasy term used by deluded people to signal a particular virtue.
  - mindslight 7mo ago
    ... signal a particular vice. It's vice signalling. We generally think of war as bad and try to avoid it, most especially the people tasked with fighting said wars. Nothing has changed about the performative-ness, in fact if anything it's gotten more performative and hollow. They just signal vices rather than virtues, so a bunch of rightist-flavored-Lenin's useful idiots think it is fresh or effective or anti-"woke" or at least different.
    - jvandreae 7mo ago
      Ah, yes, the Orwellian newspeak that is the phrase "Department of Defense" is something worth protecting. What next, the Ministry of Truth? I don't really give any weight to what a leftist considers a vice or a virtue.
      - mindslight 7mo ago
        The "Orwellian newspeak" at least makes an effort to aim for positive values, despite falling short. That's the point. Also, please define what you mean by "leftist". These days it seems like it gets applied to anybody who believes in Constitutionally-limited government and the rule of law. That used to just be called being an American, but social media is a hell of a drug.
  - b112 7mo ago
    I keep seeing DOW everywhere, and honestly had no idea it wasn't a legal namechange yet (or ever). There's even a webpage for it. So cut the guy some slack. No one knows wtf is actually going on these days.
    - mindslight 7mo ago
      With a malevolent agent in the bully pulpit deliberately swamping the American zeitgeist with hostile nonsense ("flood the zone with shit"), it has become every American's duty to be on guard to avoid propagating the regime's bullshit. We are indeed at war, an information war of the US elites against We The People. So buck up.
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- learingsci 7mo ago
  Is over $50,000, all arguments are invalid.
SecretDreams 7mo ago
> untrustworthy the current DOD leadership is as as customer. Less than a year left on this clock.
- b112 7mo ago
  You sure? War with Canada is about to break out, and you can't have elections when at war.
  - bhelkey 7mo ago
    Is this sarcasm? The US held elections during World War II [1]. [1] https://www.britannica.com/event/United-States-presidential-election-of-1944 https://www.britannica.com/event/United-States-presidential-...
    - b112 7mo ago
      I guess that proves elections can't be delayed, right?
    - pavlov 7mo ago
      The US President in 1944 was someone who wanted to have elections. In 2026 this is not the case anymore. How much of a difference it makes, nobody knows.
      - wat10000 7mo ago
        Elections won't be canceled. They're too important for the perception of legitimacy. Virtually every country on Earth now has elections. Russia, China, even North Korea has elections. The modern playbook isn't to abolish elections, it's a combination of blocking opposition candidates, suppressing votes, intimidating voters, and lying about the results. That's what to watch for.
        wrs 7mo ago
        “Watch for”? That has been actively happening, at an accelerating pace. (Especially if you count “lying about someone else lying about the results”.)
ksymph 7mo ago
Seems like Microsoft/OpenAI [0] and Google [1] both have FedRAMP approval. [0] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azuregov/azure-openai-fedramp-high-for-government/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azuregov/azure-openai-fedramp... [1] https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/public-sector/gemini-in-workspace-apps-and-the-gemini-app-are-first-to-achieve-fedramp-high-authorization https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/public-sector/gemini-in...

tikhonj 7mo ago

3- Anthropic looks "woke" and the administration cares more about perceptions than reality. Not too different from picking on Harvard/etc.

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jasongill 7mo ago

WaPo is reporting that OpenAI and xAI already agreed to the Pentagon's "any lawful use" clause, aka, mass surveillance and fully autonomous killbots. From the WaPo article https://archive.is/yz6JA#selection-435.42-435.355 https://archive.is/yz6JA#selection-435.42-435.355 > Officials say other leading AI firms have gone along with the demand. OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT, Google and Elon Musk’s xAI have agreed to allow the Pentagon to use their systems for “all lawful purposes” on unclassified networks, a Defense official said, and are working on agreements for classified networks. The only difference is simply that Anthropic is already approved for use on classified networks, whereas Grok and OpenAI are not yet (but are being fast-tracked for approval, especially Grok). Edit: Note someone below pointed out that OpenAI may be approved for Secret level, so it's odd that Washington Post reports that they are working on it still.

fcarraldo 7mo ago
OpenAI is usable through Azure for Government up to IL-6. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azuregov/azure-openai-authorization/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azuregov/azure-openai-authori... Either Anthropic is seen as the clear leader (it certainly is for coding agents) or this is a political stunt to stamp out any opposition to the administration. Or both.
chasd00 7mo ago
> fully autonomous killbots I keep hearing this but it should be plainly obvious to everyone (at least here) that an LLM is not the right AI for this use case. That's like trying to use chatgpt for an airplane autopilot, it doesn't make sense. Other ML models may but not an LLM. Why does the "autonomous killbot" thing keep getting brought up when discussing Anthropic and other llm providers? For reference, "autonomous killbots" are in use right now in the Ukraine/Russia war and they run on fpv drones, not acres of GPUs. Also, it should be obvious that there's a >90% probability every predator/reaper drone has had an autonomous kill mode for probably a decade now. Maybe it's never been used in warfare, that we know of, but to think it doesn't exist already is bonkers.
- TGower 7mo ago

api 7mo ago

3- These others have more influence with the administration and are using it to bully a competitor?

Spooky23 7mo ago

You’re reading into it like the federal government is an honest broker. It’s just corruption. Google is a bigger fish. OpenAI is attached to Oracle and Larry Ellison, who is a Trump collaborator. Kushner is also in investor. Anthropic is the weakest animal in the herd. They also started a campaign targeting OpenAI, which is capturing hearts and minds (everyone is talking about Claude Code), and really pissed off Sam Altman.

nerdyadventurer 7mo ago

Microsoft AI (OpenAI) have already being used for war. Possibly Google AI too. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3ZxzCU_Qye8 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3ZxzCU_Qye8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RDKgsKbuNM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RDKgsKbuNM