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> The warrants included a search through all of her photos, videos, emails, text messages, and location data over a two-month period, as well as a time-unlimite

by fusslo 7mo ago

> The warrants included a search through all of her photos, videos, emails, text messages, and location data over a two-month period, as well as a time-unlimited search for 26 keywords, including words as broad as “bike,” “assault,” “celebration,” and “right,” that allowed police to comb through years of Armendariz’s private and sensitive data—all supposedly to look for evidence related to the alleged simple assault. That's an insane overreaction and overreach. There's some quotes from officers during the protests that are particularly troubling, too. The article links directly to the ruling: https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/sites/ca10/files/opinions/010111390292.pdf https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/sites/ca10/files/opinions/0101... I wonder how the Sargent and Judge who approved these searches feel. If they take their jobs seriously, I do hope that they are more critical of search warrant applications in the future.

stronglikedan 7mo ago
> I wonder how the Sargent and Judge who approved these searches feel. If they take their jobs seriously, I do hope that they are more critical of search warrant applications in the future. I guarantee they feel like they've been slighted because they take their jobs seriously, and from their perspective they should have been allowed to do what they did. Power corrupts the mind as much as the bank account.
- cogman10 7mo ago
  Yup. To see this mentality on full display you just have to pull up videos of cops getting DUIs. They all act like it's the most insulting thing in the world that they get pulled over. They all use their status as cops to try and get out of the ticket. The cops that pull them over always treat them in the softest and most deferential way imaginable. And I'm sure more times than there are videos for, these cops get away with DUI which is why they are so incensed when the arresting cop doesn't play along.
  - bitexploder 7mo ago
    The injury to their ego is tremendous. The ones that allow their authority to become their identity cannot mentally separate a challenge to this authority from a direct attack on themselves. To them it is quite literally the same thing and it is incredibly dangerous. It is how the authoritarian mind works, because to them it feels like survival.
    - collabs 7mo ago
      Especially in the city of New York, I sincerely believe a police officer butting a reflective vest on the front dashboard of their illegally parked car is enough grounds for immediate dismissal/firing from the job and all retirement seized with no recourse. I don't know how we would make it legal but this is the kind of visible, petty corruption that makes people lose their respect for the system.
      - ifh-hn 7mo ago
        That seems a little over the top of a parking infraction... Maybe they should be summarily shot too.
        etchalon 7mo ago
        How you went from "losing your government job and benefits due to corrupt behavior" and "well, may as well kill them!" is certainly interesting.
        awakeasleep 7mo ago
        Its a perfect demonstration of the topic in the thread: loss of privilege is equivalent to ending their life itself
        ifh-hn 7mo ago
        You have clearly missed the point of my comment, I assume on purpose given the first sentence. The second sentence was clearly not serious, and was sarcasm, not some confirmation of "privilege mentality".
  - 0x3f 7mo ago
    I don't think this is particularly unique to cops. When you're trapped and cornered, you desperately resort to any possible approach to get out of it. Acting incredulous or indignant when you know you've messed up, with the small hope it will get you out of it, is a very common human thing.
    - cogman10 7mo ago
      > with the small hope it will get you out of it That's the thing, with how much cops will put on the kids gloves if it's an officer I'm certain the hope isn't small that they'll get out of it. The videos you see of cops getting arrested they are almost always completely blasted.
      - me-vs-cat 7mo ago
        For videos with either kid gloves or being completely blasted, there's a reason those are the videos that go viral, and it's not because they're the typical average.
  - runlevel1 7mo ago
    Just last week, two NYPD cops were indicted for evidence tampering for doing exactly that. The indicted cops responded to an off-duty cop's DUI crash. They texted each other on their personal phones so as not to create a record. They positioned their bodycams so as not to capture the incident. At one point, one of the cops held the other's to make it look as if he was still standing there while he secretly called their supervisor. They then let the drunk cop drive away. Hours later, another officer found the car parked on the sidewalk. That officer did finally arrest him. "These police officers did their job. We should not be here today," said union president Patrick Hendry, who accused the DA of targeting the officers. "He needs to support officers instead of going after them. Enough is enough." To their credit, these charges came based on a referral from NYPD's Internal Affairs Bureau, though it was 4 years later. Article: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/20/nyregion/nypd-dui-coverup-arraignment.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/20/nyregion/nypd-dui-coverup...
    - FireBeyond 7mo ago
      The famous case of the cops arresting the nurse for not performing a blood draw without a warrant after a car accident is much the same: The other driver in the car accident was a drunk off-duty cop who blew a red light and hit the patient (who later died). Cops simultaneously scrambled to the hospital to get a blood draw there, while also delaying the draw on their buddy for hours. Cop who performed the arrest was fired. And later sued the department for unfair dismissal, IIRC.
  - BLKNSLVR 7mo ago
    I've always treated most of those kind of videos as staged. I like the idea that that's how it goes down but, almost because it's cathartic, I don't trust that it's real footage, as opposed to, essentially, short film fiction.
  - me-vs-cat 7mo ago
    > The cops that pull them over always treat them in the softest and most deferential way imaginable. Without denying I have seen preferential treatment first-hand, you might take a step back and imagine... You're dealing with someone who entered a career known for its machismo, where they received training on how to use physical violence, including training on shooting a weapon that could quite possibly be with them. This person has been drinking or is flat-out drunk, and it's only a matter of minutes before they realize how screwed they're about to be. Treating them softly is what you SHOULD do. We should be asking whether we are content to find ourselves in a world where that soft approach is considered the noteworthy exception.
    - Ar-Curunir 7mo ago
      Drunk driving kills. Fuck this stupid shit.
      - me-vs-cat 7mo ago
        What's stupid about using a soft approach, instead of a violent approach, to take away a driver's license from a drunk driver? Why do police so frequently resort to violence that you're probably not surprised to hear bystanders in NYC were shot by cops pursuing a subway turnstile hopper? Let the implications of that sink in for a moment. Why have I heard so many times about people losing their life after being pulled over for speeding?
        cogman10 7mo ago
        > What's stupid about using a soft approach, instead of a violent approach The options aren't soft vs violent. The problem with the soft approach is it's all about giving the suspected impaired drive more chances to prove they aren't impaired. It's about avoiding removing them from the road, not avoiding a violent confrontation. While cops shouldn't be dicks to everyone and they should always work to de-escalate, what they shouldn't do is let someone they think is impaired drive off. And that's what the "soft" approach is all about. It's about letting the arresting officer make excuses like "well, they don't seem THAT drunk" or "Well, they seem a little buzzed, but not that bad." For a regular citizen, the cops would do a field sobriety test, a breathalyzer blow, and then arrest if it comes back high. That's what they should do for everyone they suspect is impaired. If we wanted to argue for a softer approach, then I could see removing the criminal aspects of a DUI and instead just focusing on getting that person off the road and potentially revoking their license. But in no case should a cop let someone drive off that they suspect isn't fully sober.
- formerly_proven 7mo ago
  I doubt it, judges don't read warrant applications.
radicaldreamer 7mo ago
If you think judges actually read warrants they sign, you’re very mistaken. Some judges are signing dozens of these a day in between other things on their docket.
- deleted 7mo ago
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- hirvi74 7mo ago
  "Ninety-eight percent of warrant reviews eventually result in an approval, and over 93% are approved on first submission. Further, we find that the median time for review is only three minutes, and that one out of every ten warrants is opened, reviewed, and approved in sixty seconds or less. [1]" Mind you, this data only represents the state of Utah's electronic "e-Warrant" system. It would not surprise me is results were not too different across other states. [1] https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-138/unwarranted-warrants-an-empirical-analysis-of-judicial-review-in-search-and-seizure https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-138/unwarranted-warra...
  - UncleMeat 7mo ago
    FISA warrants were even more incredible, with well below 1% rejection rates. And then hilariously people would say that this is just evidence that the warrants are all written extremely carefully and conservatively.
    - dragonwriter 7mo ago
      > FISA warrants were even more incredible, with well below 1% rejection rates. That's potentially much less incredible, and in any case not directly comparable, because its the final, not on-first-submission, rate, and also doesn't count applications withdrawn after a preliminary rejection that allows modificaitons but before a final ruling. It only counts the share of those that get a final ruling where that is an approval.
onlyrealcuzzo 7mo ago
With enough data, you could appear guilty of almost anything.
- koolba 7mo ago
  Particularly if you filter out the context when presenting the filtered data: “Wish I could be there. I’d kill for such an opportunity. All the best and see you next time.”
- seanw444 7mo ago
  "Show me the man, I'll show you the crime."
- syntheticnature 7mo ago
  https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229 https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp...
- NoSalt 7mo ago
  > "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." ~ Cardinal Richelieu (Cardinal and former Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs of France)
  - snowwrestler 7mo ago
    This apocryphal quote was a statement about his overwhelming power (strong enough to hang people who have done no wrong), not on the mutability of the law. It is frequently mis-applied.
    - wredcoll 7mo ago
      Why would he need any lines then?
      - Joker_vD 7mo ago
UncleMeat 7mo ago
> I wonder how the Sargent and Judge who approved these searches feel. If they take their jobs seriously, I do hope that they are more critical of search warrant applications in the future. Cops often hate the people. They see the people as their enemies. Retaliation is commonplace. Their goal is to arrest people, not actually achieve peace and justice. DAs and judges are often similar. We've seen cases where highly respected DAs have continued to prosecute people they knew were innocent. This sort of thing is not a case of particular cops or DAs or judges not taking their job seriously. This is cops or DAs or judges thinking that they have a totally different job than they really should have.
- cess11 7mo ago
  Cops often have the view that if they weren't allowed to be special and do things that are crimes for others, then society would collapse in a huge bloodbath. They tend to believe they are the 'thin blue line' between civilisation and barbarism, the front in a war against the unbridled animalism of the uncouth masses.
  - UncleMeat 7mo ago
    I have been told, by a cop, that the exclusionary rule should be eliminated. This is the thing that says that evidence obtained in violation of the 4th amendment cannot be used against you in court. Their argument was that the cops know who the bad guys are and should just be allowed to throw them in prison. End of story.
  - jalapenos 7mo ago
    The stupidity of this is that cops literally used to not exist. People used to have to arrest people themselves and drag them to a magistrate and then prosecute them themselves. Didn't mean society was mad max. Doubt you'll find many cops who'll know that though.
bmitc 7mo ago
> If they take their jobs seriously There's about 0% that's true. Judges and even police are politicians now.

by fusslo 7mo ago

stronglikedan 7mo ago

> I wonder how the Sargent and Judge who approved these searches feel. If they take their jobs seriously, I do hope that they are more critical of search warrant applications in the future. I guarantee they feel like they've been slighted because they take their jobs seriously, and from their perspective they should have been allowed to do what they did. Power corrupts the mind as much as the bank account.

cogman10 7mo ago
Yup. To see this mentality on full display you just have to pull up videos of cops getting DUIs. They all act like it's the most insulting thing in the world that they get pulled over. They all use their status as cops to try and get out of the ticket. The cops that pull them over always treat them in the softest and most deferential way imaginable. And I'm sure more times than there are videos for, these cops get away with DUI which is why they are so incensed when the arresting cop doesn't play along.
- bitexploder 7mo ago
  The injury to their ego is tremendous. The ones that allow their authority to become their identity cannot mentally separate a challenge to this authority from a direct attack on themselves. To them it is quite literally the same thing and it is incredibly dangerous. It is how the authoritarian mind works, because to them it feels like survival.
  - collabs 7mo ago
    Especially in the city of New York, I sincerely believe a police officer butting a reflective vest on the front dashboard of their illegally parked car is enough grounds for immediate dismissal/firing from the job and all retirement seized with no recourse. I don't know how we would make it legal but this is the kind of visible, petty corruption that makes people lose their respect for the system.
    - ifh-hn 7mo ago
      That seems a little over the top of a parking infraction... Maybe they should be summarily shot too.
      - etchalon 7mo ago
        How you went from "losing your government job and benefits due to corrupt behavior" and "well, may as well kill them!" is certainly interesting.
        awakeasleep 7mo ago
        Its a perfect demonstration of the topic in the thread: loss of privilege is equivalent to ending their life itself
        ifh-hn 7mo ago
        You have clearly missed the point of my comment, I assume on purpose given the first sentence. The second sentence was clearly not serious, and was sarcasm, not some confirmation of "privilege mentality".
- 0x3f 7mo ago
  I don't think this is particularly unique to cops. When you're trapped and cornered, you desperately resort to any possible approach to get out of it. Acting incredulous or indignant when you know you've messed up, with the small hope it will get you out of it, is a very common human thing.
  - cogman10 7mo ago
    > with the small hope it will get you out of it That's the thing, with how much cops will put on the kids gloves if it's an officer I'm certain the hope isn't small that they'll get out of it. The videos you see of cops getting arrested they are almost always completely blasted.
    - me-vs-cat 7mo ago
      For videos with either kid gloves or being completely blasted, there's a reason those are the videos that go viral, and it's not because they're the typical average.
- runlevel1 7mo ago
  Just last week, two NYPD cops were indicted for evidence tampering for doing exactly that. The indicted cops responded to an off-duty cop's DUI crash. They texted each other on their personal phones so as not to create a record. They positioned their bodycams so as not to capture the incident. At one point, one of the cops held the other's to make it look as if he was still standing there while he secretly called their supervisor. They then let the drunk cop drive away. Hours later, another officer found the car parked on the sidewalk. That officer did finally arrest him. "These police officers did their job. We should not be here today," said union president Patrick Hendry, who accused the DA of targeting the officers. "He needs to support officers instead of going after them. Enough is enough." To their credit, these charges came based on a referral from NYPD's Internal Affairs Bureau, though it was 4 years later. Article: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/20/nyregion/nypd-dui-coverup-arraignment.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/20/nyregion/nypd-dui-coverup...
  - FireBeyond 7mo ago
    The famous case of the cops arresting the nurse for not performing a blood draw without a warrant after a car accident is much the same: The other driver in the car accident was a drunk off-duty cop who blew a red light and hit the patient (who later died). Cops simultaneously scrambled to the hospital to get a blood draw there, while also delaying the draw on their buddy for hours. Cop who performed the arrest was fired. And later sued the department for unfair dismissal, IIRC.
- BLKNSLVR 7mo ago
  I've always treated most of those kind of videos as staged. I like the idea that that's how it goes down but, almost because it's cathartic, I don't trust that it's real footage, as opposed to, essentially, short film fiction.
- me-vs-cat 7mo ago
  > The cops that pull them over always treat them in the softest and most deferential way imaginable. Without denying I have seen preferential treatment first-hand, you might take a step back and imagine... You're dealing with someone who entered a career known for its machismo, where they received training on how to use physical violence, including training on shooting a weapon that could quite possibly be with them. This person has been drinking or is flat-out drunk, and it's only a matter of minutes before they realize how screwed they're about to be. Treating them softly is what you SHOULD do. We should be asking whether we are content to find ourselves in a world where that soft approach is considered the noteworthy exception.
  - Ar-Curunir 7mo ago
    Drunk driving kills. Fuck this stupid shit.
    - me-vs-cat 7mo ago
      What's stupid about using a soft approach, instead of a violent approach, to take away a driver's license from a drunk driver? Why do police so frequently resort to violence that you're probably not surprised to hear bystanders in NYC were shot by cops pursuing a subway turnstile hopper? Let the implications of that sink in for a moment. Why have I heard so many times about people losing their life after being pulled over for speeding?
      - cogman10 7mo ago
        > What's stupid about using a soft approach, instead of a violent approach The options aren't soft vs violent. The problem with the soft approach is it's all about giving the suspected impaired drive more chances to prove they aren't impaired. It's about avoiding removing them from the road, not avoiding a violent confrontation. While cops shouldn't be dicks to everyone and they should always work to de-escalate, what they shouldn't do is let someone they think is impaired drive off. And that's what the "soft" approach is all about. It's about letting the arresting officer make excuses like "well, they don't seem THAT drunk" or "Well, they seem a little buzzed, but not that bad." For a regular citizen, the cops would do a field sobriety test, a breathalyzer blow, and then arrest if it comes back high. That's what they should do for everyone they suspect is impaired. If we wanted to argue for a softer approach, then I could see removing the criminal aspects of a DUI and instead just focusing on getting that person off the road and potentially revoking their license. But in no case should a cop let someone drive off that they suspect isn't fully sober.
formerly_proven 7mo ago
I doubt it, judges don't read warrant applications.

radicaldreamer 7mo ago

If you think judges actually read warrants they sign, you’re very mistaken. Some judges are signing dozens of these a day in between other things on their docket.

deleted 7mo ago
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hirvi74 7mo ago
"Ninety-eight percent of warrant reviews eventually result in an approval, and over 93% are approved on first submission. Further, we find that the median time for review is only three minutes, and that one out of every ten warrants is opened, reviewed, and approved in sixty seconds or less. [1]" Mind you, this data only represents the state of Utah's electronic "e-Warrant" system. It would not surprise me is results were not too different across other states. [1] https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-138/unwarranted-warrants-an-empirical-analysis-of-judicial-review-in-search-and-seizure https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-138/unwarranted-warra...
- UncleMeat 7mo ago
  FISA warrants were even more incredible, with well below 1% rejection rates. And then hilariously people would say that this is just evidence that the warrants are all written extremely carefully and conservatively.
  - dragonwriter 7mo ago
    > FISA warrants were even more incredible, with well below 1% rejection rates. That's potentially much less incredible, and in any case not directly comparable, because its the final, not on-first-submission, rate, and also doesn't count applications withdrawn after a preliminary rejection that allows modificaitons but before a final ruling. It only counts the share of those that get a final ruling where that is an approval.

onlyrealcuzzo 7mo ago

With enough data, you could appear guilty of almost anything.

koolba 7mo ago
Particularly if you filter out the context when presenting the filtered data: “Wish I could be there. I’d kill for such an opportunity. All the best and see you next time.”
seanw444 7mo ago
"Show me the man, I'll show you the crime."
syntheticnature 7mo ago
https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229 https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp...
NoSalt 7mo ago
> "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." ~ Cardinal Richelieu (Cardinal and former Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs of France)
- snowwrestler 7mo ago
  This apocryphal quote was a statement about his overwhelming power (strong enough to hang people who have done no wrong), not on the mutability of the law. It is frequently mis-applied.
  - wredcoll 7mo ago
    Why would he need any lines then?
    - Joker_vD 7mo ago

UncleMeat 7mo ago

> I wonder how the Sargent and Judge who approved these searches feel. If they take their jobs seriously, I do hope that they are more critical of search warrant applications in the future. Cops often hate the people. They see the people as their enemies. Retaliation is commonplace. Their goal is to arrest people, not actually achieve peace and justice. DAs and judges are often similar. We've seen cases where highly respected DAs have continued to prosecute people they knew were innocent. This sort of thing is not a case of particular cops or DAs or judges not taking their job seriously. This is cops or DAs or judges thinking that they have a totally different job than they really should have.

cess11 7mo ago
Cops often have the view that if they weren't allowed to be special and do things that are crimes for others, then society would collapse in a huge bloodbath. They tend to believe they are the 'thin blue line' between civilisation and barbarism, the front in a war against the unbridled animalism of the uncouth masses.
- UncleMeat 7mo ago
  I have been told, by a cop, that the exclusionary rule should be eliminated. This is the thing that says that evidence obtained in violation of the 4th amendment cannot be used against you in court. Their argument was that the cops know who the bad guys are and should just be allowed to throw them in prison. End of story.
- jalapenos 7mo ago
  The stupidity of this is that cops literally used to not exist. People used to have to arrest people themselves and drag them to a magistrate and then prosecute them themselves. Didn't mean society was mad max. Doubt you'll find many cops who'll know that though.

bmitc 7mo ago

> If they take their jobs seriously There's about 0% that's true. Judges and even police are politicians now.