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Tesla is a car company with relatively small, and shrinking, sales, that is worth $1.5T on the promise of [Elons_Promise_of_the_Month]

sixQuarks 8mo ago
You forgot to mention they solved vision based autonomous driving, but I guess that doesn’t matter if Elon = bad
- zozbot234 8mo ago
  SAE level 2 driver assistance is explicitly not autonomous driving.
- iancmceachern 8mo ago
  Huh? They did not "solve" vision based driving.
  - eviks 8mo ago
    Of course, but if Elon=great you can ignore that
- SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
  It's this kind of dynamic that makes me pull back on my otherwise pretty AI-forward stance. There's an entire community of people who passionately believe it's obvious and undeniable that Elon Musk has solved problems that he has not solved and his companies deliver things they don't deliver. Tesla is absolutely unambiguous in their marketing material (https://www.tesla.com/fsd https://www.tesla.com/fsd) that they do not have autonomous driving, but you're far from the first person I've encountered who's been tricked into believing otherwise. I don't think that's my relationship with AI, I'm hardly an uncritical booster. But would I know if it was?
  - a_victorp 8mo ago
    You definitely would not know if you were, no one does. I think the healthy position is to assume you are wrong and trying to find evidence of why you are wrong For instance,I'm very skeptical of AI and, from experience, do not think that the current models are worth the cost, but I'm always in HN trying to find arguments/people that use AI successfully to prove that I'm wrong
    - soulofmischief 8mo ago
      I know multiple developers paying thousands of months on AI tooling. I don't need to convince you it's worth it for you, but it's easy to see that other people have found a way to make it worth it for themselves. I would definitely not spend as much as I personally do if it wasn't worth it to me.
- albedoa 8mo ago
  Hope daddy sees this and gives you that lollipop.
- outside1234 8mo ago
  Seems not solved: https://fortune.com/2026/02/26/tesla-robotaxis-4x-8x-worse-than-humans-at-driving-safety-record-crashes/ https://fortune.com/2026/02/26/tesla-robotaxis-4x-8x-worse-t...
- soulofmischief 8mo ago
  Gonna need a citation for that, buck.
konschubert 8mo ago
yea, proving my point that the index funds are maybe not the safest place if you want to invest into real value. And soon, twitter/Grok/spacex might be doing an IPO

sixQuarks 8mo ago

You forgot to mention they solved vision based autonomous driving, but I guess that doesn’t matter if Elon = bad

zozbot234 8mo ago
SAE level 2 driver assistance is explicitly not autonomous driving.
iancmceachern 8mo ago
Huh? They did not "solve" vision based driving.
- eviks 8mo ago
  Of course, but if Elon=great you can ignore that
SpicyLemonZest 8mo ago
It's this kind of dynamic that makes me pull back on my otherwise pretty AI-forward stance. There's an entire community of people who passionately believe it's obvious and undeniable that Elon Musk has solved problems that he has not solved and his companies deliver things they don't deliver. Tesla is absolutely unambiguous in their marketing material (https://www.tesla.com/fsd https://www.tesla.com/fsd) that they do not have autonomous driving, but you're far from the first person I've encountered who's been tricked into believing otherwise. I don't think that's my relationship with AI, I'm hardly an uncritical booster. But would I know if it was?
- a_victorp 8mo ago
  You definitely would not know if you were, no one does. I think the healthy position is to assume you are wrong and trying to find evidence of why you are wrong For instance,I'm very skeptical of AI and, from experience, do not think that the current models are worth the cost, but I'm always in HN trying to find arguments/people that use AI successfully to prove that I'm wrong
  - soulofmischief 8mo ago
    I know multiple developers paying thousands of months on AI tooling. I don't need to convince you it's worth it for you, but it's easy to see that other people have found a way to make it worth it for themselves. I would definitely not spend as much as I personally do if it wasn't worth it to me.
albedoa 8mo ago
Hope daddy sees this and gives you that lollipop.
outside1234 8mo ago
Seems not solved: https://fortune.com/2026/02/26/tesla-robotaxis-4x-8x-worse-than-humans-at-driving-safety-record-crashes/ https://fortune.com/2026/02/26/tesla-robotaxis-4x-8x-worse-t...
soulofmischief 8mo ago
Gonna need a citation for that, buck.

konschubert 8mo ago

yea, proving my point that the index funds are maybe not the safest place if you want to invest into real value. And soon, twitter/Grok/spacex might be doing an IPO